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explore the bazaar or e-ticket ride into

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the world of the paranormal

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strap yourself in as we traverse the

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universe exploring the unexplained UFO s

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ghosts Lost Worlds cryptozoology as well

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as other dimensions it's time to take

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back the night now your electrifying

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hosts of exploring the bizarre Timothy

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Begley and team sports never seen a

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place so full of cobwebs and dust when

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you said we were going to investigate a

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haunted house I thought it would be in

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someone's residence in the Tim not not

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every haunted house is some old

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Victorian mansion next to a cemetery

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this place has quite a history of ghosts

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of all types the owners left in the

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middle of the night because there was

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all kinds of poltergeist activity I

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just just like the one popping up right

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behind you and that's nasty back to the

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studio before something tragic might

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happen something we might regret later

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I think I heard the ghost whistling at

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us I believe so yeah well hey when

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you're in the shape I'm in you know that

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anything is possible that's right that's

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the doctor whistling for me to come in

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[Laughter]

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come right in mr. bear yeah well a

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couple of months ago already Jim so

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let's clear the air here if that's

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possible

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and add and let's get on with the

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evenings festivities I I understand

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we're going to be talking about spokes

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and things that go bump in the night and

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probably cobwebs for for real but we'll

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have to find that out won't we well I

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don't think there's any cobwebs involved

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you know yeah well I mean maybe here in

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my office in the corners but not there

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not so much with that your cat's

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whiskers it carries whiskers that's

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right anyway let us let us hear about

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who we will be speaking with this

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evening I'm anxious to find out well

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we're going to be talking about a really

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fascinating case and you know I I think

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that we actually first heard about this

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a couple of years ago from Steve Mara

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and and Jenny a fresh word when they

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were on our show at one point so you

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know I'm happy now that we were able to

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to line up Keith Linder now Keith was

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the person who was his girlfriend were

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living in this really unexplained

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haunted house in Bothell Washington now

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no toto Bothell no no you're thinking

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about Nevada the alien brothel that the

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guy just died recently yeah that's right

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that's right and and got elected to

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Congress Senate something like that is

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an ID professional originally from

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Austin Texas and now living outside of

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Seattle now what brought Keith to the

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Pacific Northwest was his love for the

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outdoors

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his love for software and hardware

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technology in 2012 his girlfriend him

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and his girlfriend moved into a

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right outside of saddle Seattle in a

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town called Marvel now the horrors that

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they witnessed while living there not

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only changed their lives but the

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paranormal community as well so Keith

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says that whether you are a believer or

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a non-believer bur about what might go

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bumping in the night I'll see ask is

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that you learn his story pause it and

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then view the evidence and there's a

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considerable amount of evidence tim

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keith has a youtube channel that just

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has all kinds of fascinating their

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videos on it and I highly recommend our

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listeners check it out he says that once

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you look at this evidence it'll change

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your life forever now also with us and

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return visit I may say to exploring the

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bizarre is Jenny Ashford now Jenny

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started out as a horror writer and I

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think she still is but got sucked into

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the world of the paranormal like Slimer

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into a proton pack her first on fiction

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book the mammoth mountain poltergeist

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detailed the terrifying account of

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poltergeist focus Tom Ross and the

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paranormal encounters he endured with

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his family in 1982 now from there

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Jenny became acquainted with

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well-regarded British Paris psychologist

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and our good friend Steve Mara and she

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wrote other books including the house of

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fire and whispers investigating the

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Seattle demon house we'll be talking

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about tonight her other books include

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the unseen hand a new exploration in

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poltergeist phenomena the faceless

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villain a collection of the eeriest

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unsolved murders of the 20th century

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both volumes 1 and 2 now Jenny started

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her journey as a hard-line skeptic but

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through her association with Tom and

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Stephen after witnessing a few

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unexplicable things herself she's

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changed her views quite a bit now Jenny

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also co-host a podcast with Tom Ross

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called 1300 clocks which they discussed

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paranormal weirdness true crime and

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explained mysteries and other fun and

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creepy topics

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all of her books can be found on Amazon

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and you can visit her at a website at

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Jenny Ashford dot-com so I want to

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welcome both of you tonight to exploring

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the bazaar hello and thanks for having

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me on

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hi Jenny hi it's a great to be back

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pleasure pleasure having both of you on

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so Keith why don't we let's let's start

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out with you since you know this

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basically heel is your story

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so you originally came from Texas and

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got a great job in Seattle and you and

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your girlfriend decided to look for a a

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place to live

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yeah I moved to Seattle back in 2005 and

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met Tina in 2010 and we've been together

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two years before we moved into the

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Bothell house and what we decided after

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being in our relationship for two years

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was hey let's you know instead of paying

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two mortgages or two rents this pay one

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let's you know try to see how we do

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under one roof now that we've been

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together two years let's take the

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relationship to the next level and so we

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did I think we started looking for that

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house

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March of April of 2012 because we found

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it on Craigslist and I think we saw it

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in April and then applied for it in late

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April and got accepted by the van

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homeowner so you didn't buy the house

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this this was a rental yeah this is a

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rental property yes and was there was

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there any indication straight off that

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there was something you know I don't

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know peculiar about this place not what

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we toured the house when we first saw it

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what I tell people is what was peculiar

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about the house was when we went and got

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the keys to the house and signed the

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leasing papers and you know you meet the

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landlord you do the handshake and you

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tour the house together again and then

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he leaves but

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that day we're sitting in the living

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room and Tina

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house is empty it has been moved in and

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we're just sort of taking it all in sort

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of laying down the area of what's gonna

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go where what's gonna sit here whose

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room is wet and whatnot and out of the

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blue in the middle of a conversation

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it's a two-story home we hear a kid

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coughs

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and it just out of the blue very

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distinct sound a very real sounded like

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it came from one of the rooms upstairs

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and it paused us in our conversation

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because Tina asked me and I asked her at

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the same time was that a kid cough and

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we kind of you know wrestled with it

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looking around but we didn't move from

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our position but we just sort of looked

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around and like work at that I've come

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from because you know the lights have

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been turned on yet there's no furniture

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there's no appliances and and that noise

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is pretty loud but we didn't go

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investigate it we just shrugged it off

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as saying or thinking that had to have

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come from outside that's the only

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logical explanation but man did it sound

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like it came near by no this house I

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mean it wasn't a very old house to begin

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with when you moved in was it that's a

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new house this house was better believe

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October December of 2005 the entire

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neighborhood for that matter is the new

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neighborhood all the houses there are

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tract homes built in 2005 you're talking

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about 80 to 120 homes it's a big

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neighborhood and all the homes or every

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other home looks identical to the other

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so that was one of the things that we

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were attracted to about the home was the

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newness of it was a new home and it was

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kind of weird for a home to be five or

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six seven years old at the time we moved

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in we didn't know at the time but we

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found out later had already been lived

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in by five to six seven different

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families oh wow huh and of course the

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Landlord never came forward and said oh

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by the way you know the other people

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lived in that sound may have had some

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he was out of there and looking back in

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the four years I've lived always tell

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people in the four years I've lived

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there he's only been to the house twice

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and this is after the activity we had

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been experiencing went public when

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national and international the homeowner

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even when Kosovich was descended on the

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scene he never came to the house he

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never came to see for himself or to see

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a weatherman Tina were legit or carrying

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up the property or just trying to break

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our lease in a weird way the time he

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came back to the house was four years

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almost four years to the day was May 8th

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2016 and that's when I moved out mmm

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yeah Big Sur wonder if he didn't have

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experiences of his own there that he

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wasn't going to talk about and he was

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just going to stay the hell away keith

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is there anybody that's moved in since

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you moved out I think six weeks if I'm

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not sure two months after I moved out

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and it was a husband and wife no

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children no kids it was recommended by

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Steve and Dawn Phillips to the homeowner

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to myself the best thing to do were

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probably just to leave the house vacant

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for as long as possible the theory then

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among Steve and Dawn was there's

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low-level activity it's quite possible a

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regular family would might not even

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notice the level one or low level

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activity however just to be careful this

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would be due diligence if the homeowner

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has it within this power to keep the

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house vacant for as long as possible

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nothing bad could come out of that but

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of course the Bothell Washington is a

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blooming suburb upside seattle houses so

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within eleven days here and i think that

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house sold within eleven days so now

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what what can you describe for us some

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of the more outrageous activity

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oh yeah well some of the I guess the

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activity that the house is known for

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three Bibles caught fire there was a

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post a fire that required me summing in

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the fire department on to the Seine

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our large objects cuts are talking about

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extremely large objects 300-pound

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armoire couch loveseat bar stool and

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then the wall writings the wall reading

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is in my office which is the only room

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in the house to have wall writings

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numerous instances of inexplicable wall

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writings that you cannot when you look

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at it with the naked eye determine what

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the substance was or is and it just

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happened I mean all that I just told you

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happened during the summer fall winter

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of 2014 but loud bangs thanks familiar

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that I'm pretty sure Gina could tell you

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this you know pretty much textbook

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poltergeist phenomena loud bangs phantom

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footsteps the interesting thing to me

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was the kitchen cabinet door is always

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open

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or you wake up in the morning and come

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downstairs for a cup of coffee in every

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kitchen cabinet doors wide open or you

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come home from work and every kitchen

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cabinet doors wide open the house is

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upside down and just a lot of weird

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stuff shadows shadow figures you name it

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it went on in that house is that all

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well I mean really reading your book I

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mean it's just we could we could spend

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five or six shows just recounting

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everything that went on in your house so

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I mean you know it's just you know it's

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just it's it's like where do you begin

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to talk about all of the things that

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happened in your house and and I suppose

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that a lot of people would ask okay

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whether you were there for four years

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why did you stay for so long well it

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sort of explained in the book and that's

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a good question

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i'm mittita moved in 2012 obviously

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however the activity did subside for a

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year or two months of 2013 I tell it in

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my book that right when the activity

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slowed down and came to a complete halt

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me Atena thought we had dodged a bullet

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they the information we were getting on

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the Internet

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these things generally fade off by

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themselves and then you get your house

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back so we thought you know we got

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cheated out of the first year let's try

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to savage the you know 2013 what

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happened in 2014 almost a year later I

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mean it just rewrites everything because

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it's ten times worse in 2014 than it was

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in 2012 and I think if you read the book

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about the poster fire me and Tina after

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the poster car fire felt deep within

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ourselves that number one this house is

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not worth living in by anybody me

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personally this is my first house I just

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moved here a couple years ago I'm not

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really sure I want to be run out of my

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first house there's no guarantee that I

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won't be followed and we had people

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helping us we had a local church in town

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a Bothell local parish who was

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instructing there's no standard ground

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do not run from these things or you'd be

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running for the rest of your life so we

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thought we had a support system in place

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obviously we're a little bit wrong of

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course we're a lot naive there's nothing

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nothing nothing not that you can read

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about in books or see in movies prepares

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you for the real thing when you living

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with it but yeah we want to stand our

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ground and we thought we had a support

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system well you are also rather

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fascinating it probably is is quite the

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word but I mean you were interested oh

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yeah and what was going on and and

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wanted to really kind of find out you

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know maybe the reason why it was

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happening yeah for 20 odd years and one

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of the things you know i-team that that

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we live by his problem-solving we I'm a

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very analytical or I try to be and I'm a

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project manager than IT space and you

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know were elements or the phenomenon are

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certain for them and I should say

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because keep in mind we're witnessing

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the laws of physics being manipulated or

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broken right in front of our eyes and

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from IIT and I'm sort of IT / geeky type

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of guy guy he loves

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watching science-fiction that was kind

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of interesting if not cool what wasn't

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cool was hey you can't be burning my

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house down you can't be throwing chef

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knives at me you can't be reading on

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this wall I don't own this place stop

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that

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obviously something went on in this

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house before me and Tina arrived let's

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do a little bit of research let's call

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some people let's bring some subject

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matter experts in which we realize

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there's no such thing and let's just try

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to do this while at the same time we

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have no clue what we're dealing with or

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no clue what we're getting ourselves

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involved with we were really I mean

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super nice well plus you know people

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tend to look for patterns you know cause

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and effect

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you know things exactly like that yeah

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and you know I some of the to be amusing

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things that's you know I've been

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researching investigating this this type

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of stuff for years and years and I've

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seen it firsthand for myself is some of

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the suggestions that you got like you

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said from some of these you know he like

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so-called experts from you know bringing

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Bibles and crucifixes into the house to

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smudging which is very interesting the

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the effect that you got from the

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smudging why don't you tell us a little

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bit about that point because you know we

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all watch these medical commercials on

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TV where they say hey try this pill just

402
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got a caught it's gonna fix this problem

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however there's a disclaimer underneath

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that says it's known to cause this type

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of reaction well that's what smudging is

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but nobody never told us what some of

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the downside reaction could be like if

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you if you told me keep your tender need

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to smudge but you need to understand

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that you might have your couch being

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thrown at you if you do I might have

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been more cautious or more

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studying them on the way I smudged

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because we were just smudging waving the

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smudge stick around you know there was

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really no how-to book on how to do it

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properly so we're running around the

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house smudging saying chances we don't

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know what we're doing per se and in

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reality we found out later that could

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make a situation worse because later on

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we found out even to some of Stephen

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Don's EVPs that they responded

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negatively to smudging and believe it or

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not the one the poster caught fire which

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was the morning I believe in April or

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May Tina had smudged the house

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tremendously the night before so much to

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the point that the house filled up with

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smoke and was set off the smoke alarms

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because we thought our mindset was more

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means more power you know the more you

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smudge and get them choking and coughing

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they're right out of here and through

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and behold we didn't know oh y'all can

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create fires oh okay well that makes

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smudging pointless and if you can create

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fires that will they I need to put away

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my smudge stick well not only fires but

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water as well yeah exactly yep so I mean

441
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you you actually had some puddles up

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here that was Halloween night October

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November 1st of 2014 I was interested in

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that at the time was the first and last

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time it ever we had water puddles in the

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home and by then I didn't know that what

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the word I was not familiar with the

448
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term pocher guys but after doing

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research I learned that's once again

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within the realm of Portuguese activity

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the inexplicable appearance of water

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puddles now no I did the waterfall from

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this in a lot of the poltergeist case

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the water seems to originate from the

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ceiling party and our home was upside

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down I mean this is the worst one of the

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worst attacks the house had experienced

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and there on the floor the kitchen was

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the water puddles interesting enough a

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book that needed healing me at home was

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sitting on the kitchen table we still to

462
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this day don't know where that book came

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from

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the wine in my wine rack was rearranged

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and neatly rearranged on the floor the

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kitchen cabinet doors once again all

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open and off and everything else turned

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upside down in addition to the water

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puddles hmm what was the book what was

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the title do you remember it was a wine

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book was in wine note book something

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that you would write notes in on s to

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you know what year and favorite wine it

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was but I didn't own a tina dinner on it

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we never seen it before and it was

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resting on the kitchen so my thinking

477
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now is it probably belong to one of the

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previous tenants and I'm saying that

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based on the other items that appeared

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in the house the neither ten on my own

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that we later found out did belong to

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some of the previous tenants all right

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well we're coming up on our bottom of

484
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the hour break so why don't we go ahead

485
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and take it to him and when we come back

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we'll bring a Jenny Ashford into the

487
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conversation with Keith Linder myself

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now back to exploring the bazaars with

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two of the most electrifying researchers

490
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in the Paranoid your hosts Timothy Becca

491
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Lee and Tings lists you know I'm trying

492
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I'm trying to find my bottle of holy

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water here no no no yet no don't get

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that don't get the holy water out don't

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get the bible's or the crucifixes

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because time and time again that just

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pisses the poltergeist off well I tell

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you remember Paul Nino told us that how

499
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he managed to get the poltergeists to go

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away is by telling jokes yeah it took

501
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the energy out of it so invite me to

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your house have a couple of bottles of

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vailable and within you know a half an

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hour's time the ghosts will be gone I

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don't know with the jokes that we tell

506
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Tim will part of it just gonna be three

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poltergeists in the house all right

508
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what exact exactly is your involvement

509
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with the the case I mean you've written

510
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about it obviously and have you ever

511
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witnessed anything firsthand yourself

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yes although I didn't until I was much

513
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older as she said in the intro I was

514
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always a skeptic of the paranormal I

515
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mean I was kind of into it when I was a

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teenager but then I kind of got more and

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more skeptical as I got older but then

518
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you know through my association with Tom

519
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Ross and you know his whole poltergeist

520
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thing which was the mammoth mountain

521
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poltergeist which is the first

522
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nonfiction paranormal that I wrote I

523
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started getting you know less skeptical

524
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about it because you know I believed his

525
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story he had other people backing him up

526
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and stuff like that so I kind of was

527
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like well I I really like to see some of

528
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it myself because I never really got to

529
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see it and the more that I wrote about

530
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it and the more I talked about it the

531
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more I discussed it you know after I you

532
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know made my association with Steve

533
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Marin we start

534
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working on books together and we were

535
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working on the Rochdale poltergeist and

536
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then all of a sudden we had some minor

537
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poltergeist activity start in our house

538
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where hidden it had never started before

539
00:26:20,070 --> 00:26:16,490
nothing all that spectacular but enough

540
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that you know it was obviously

541
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paranormal like there really wasn't

542
00:26:27,070 --> 00:26:25,160
another explanation for it and so the

543
00:26:29,290 --> 00:26:27,080
fact that I just did I got to see it

544
00:26:31,180 --> 00:26:29,300
firsthand I was like I wasn't even

545
00:26:32,710 --> 00:26:31,190
scared I was like really excited because

546
00:26:34,390 --> 00:26:32,720
I was like my whole life I've wanted to

547
00:26:35,650 --> 00:26:34,400
see this and I've heard other people's

548
00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:35,660
experiences and I wasn't sure how

549
00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:37,970
seriously to take them but now I know

550
00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:40,730
that this can really happen even though

551
00:26:46,630 --> 00:26:43,250
like I said you know ours was not really

552
00:26:49,030 --> 00:26:46,640
that exciting you know it was just like

553
00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:49,040
a few things moving around but a lot of

554
00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:50,690
people witnessed it we were all there at

555
00:26:54,580 --> 00:26:52,610
the same time so you know that was that

556
00:26:57,880 --> 00:26:54,590
was kind of a nice thing for me too

557
00:27:00,550 --> 00:26:57,890
you know since I write about it and I

558
00:27:02,230 --> 00:27:00,560
like to keep a skeptical stance about it

559
00:27:04,900 --> 00:27:02,240
also just so I can kind of keep

560
00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:04,910
objective about it but I did want to see

561
00:27:09,190 --> 00:27:07,490
it for myself just so I could have that

562
00:27:12,750 --> 00:27:09,200
experience you know I felt like it would

563
00:27:19,570 --> 00:27:16,230
you made a Jenny made an interesting a

564
00:27:22,060 --> 00:27:19,580
point one time and with the exception of

565
00:27:23,980 --> 00:27:22,070
you know houses say like Keith's which

566
00:27:26,410 --> 00:27:23,990
you know seem to be you know I got a

567
00:27:28,540 --> 00:27:26,420
hurricane contained you know within the

568
00:27:33,220 --> 00:27:28,550
four walls you know that there's a

569
00:27:37,510 --> 00:27:33,230
possibility that that that everybody may

570
00:27:39,670 --> 00:27:37,520
have experienced a poltergeist phenomena

571
00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:39,680
every now and then but for the most part

572
00:27:44,110 --> 00:27:42,650
it's pretty low-key and you know most

573
00:27:46,510 --> 00:27:44,120
people just brush it off as there's no

574
00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:46,520
well you know I put my I put my keys

575
00:27:50,290 --> 00:27:48,530
down the army calendar and now they're

576
00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:50,300
gone I must have just you know spaced it

577
00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:53,330
and put them someplace else yeah exactly

578
00:27:56,650 --> 00:27:55,010
and I think there's kind of a lot of

579
00:27:59,080 --> 00:27:56,660
that going on because even a lot of the

580
00:28:01,060 --> 00:27:59,090
stuff that happened at our house was you

581
00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:01,070
know it had some plausible deniability

582
00:28:06,970 --> 00:28:03,770
to it it's like you know the doorbell

583
00:28:08,790 --> 00:28:06,980
rang at 4:30 and no one was there you

584
00:28:11,110 --> 00:28:08,800
know the garage door opened by itself

585
00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:11,120
you know just things like that like a

586
00:28:17,020 --> 00:28:14,450
statue fell off of a shelf by itself

587
00:28:20,350 --> 00:28:17,030
you know things like that that if you

588
00:28:21,850 --> 00:28:20,360
were disinclined to want to think that

589
00:28:23,500 --> 00:28:21,860
it was paranormal you would just write

590
00:28:26,230 --> 00:28:23,510
it off as oh it was just you know a

591
00:28:29,500 --> 00:28:26,240
truck went by and something fell off or

592
00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:29,510
you know it's just things like that so I

593
00:28:34,660 --> 00:28:31,730
feel like there's probably a lot more of

594
00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:34,670
it going on but because so much of it is

595
00:28:38,790 --> 00:28:36,530
like that kind of thing where it's this

596
00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:38,800
whole gray area where it could possibly

597
00:28:44,500 --> 00:28:41,930
have a rational explanation yeah I just

598
00:28:46,060 --> 00:28:44,510
put a thing down and I forgot that I put

599
00:28:49,060 --> 00:28:46,070
it there you know it didn't really move

600
00:28:52,350 --> 00:28:49,070
on its own but you know maybe you didn't

601
00:28:54,490 --> 00:28:52,360
so the there could be all a lot more

602
00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:54,500
poltergeist activity going on that we're

603
00:28:57,670 --> 00:28:56,090
aware of it's just most of it is so

604
00:29:01,030 --> 00:28:57,680
minor that I don't think people really

605
00:29:02,950 --> 00:29:01,040
notice it I'll give you I'll give you a

606
00:29:04,090 --> 00:29:02,960
good example here there's just this

607
00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:04,100
happened to me just a couple of months

608
00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:06,530
ago I had returned from the grocery

609
00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:09,290
store and I had brought my bought myself

610
00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:16,970
a juice drink and I I usually eat myself

611
00:29:21,820 --> 00:29:18,650
to this you know every time I go to the

612
00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:21,830
store when I come home put it in a

613
00:29:25,420 --> 00:29:23,810
specific spot in the refrigerator

614
00:29:27,820 --> 00:29:25,430
you know unpack my groceries and then a

615
00:29:31,630 --> 00:29:27,830
little later go back you know to get it

616
00:29:34,780 --> 00:29:31,640
did all that go back to get it it's not

617
00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:34,790
there and I was like did I put it there

618
00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:36,530
I thought I put it there go back out to

619
00:29:40,180 --> 00:29:38,450
the car check all the way places know if

620
00:29:41,740 --> 00:29:40,190
it's not there go down to the freezer to

621
00:29:45,490 --> 00:29:41,750
accidentally put it in the freezer nope

622
00:29:48,220 --> 00:29:45,500
snot that there I must have just I must

623
00:29:51,100 --> 00:29:48,230
have forgot and didn't buy it went about

624
00:29:57,490 --> 00:29:51,110
my daily activity later went back to the

625
00:30:03,060 --> 00:29:57,500
refrigerator there it is yes and of

626
00:30:05,290 --> 00:30:03,070
course you know my wife who is she is a

627
00:30:08,430 --> 00:30:05,300
skeptic but she's a skeptic because

628
00:30:11,650 --> 00:30:08,440
she's afraid of this kind of stuff so

629
00:30:13,420 --> 00:30:11,660
she kind of keeps herself in denial that

630
00:30:20,170 --> 00:30:13,430
this stuff doesn't exist you know in

631
00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:20,180
case it does you know she was she's like

632
00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:22,570
you know uh you know you just you know

633
00:30:28,650 --> 00:30:25,250
it was it was mad she calls it you know

634
00:30:32,710 --> 00:30:31,270
you know when when you you know send

635
00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:32,720
your husband to the refrigerator to get

636
00:30:38,610 --> 00:30:34,370
stopped it was like well where is it

637
00:30:46,510 --> 00:30:45,010
but I'm certain of that I can look in

638
00:30:54,340 --> 00:30:46,520
the refrigerator and see something right

639
00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:54,350
in front of my face and not see it you

640
00:31:01,030 --> 00:30:56,450
know right go ahead I'm sorry

641
00:31:03,820 --> 00:31:01,040
no just a joking matter what you just

642
00:31:05,710 --> 00:31:03,830
described with Ginny dis described as as

643
00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:05,720
far as the theory of a lot of people

644
00:31:09,940 --> 00:31:07,370
probably experienced this phenomenon I

645
00:31:13,210 --> 00:31:09,950
don't even know it I believe that's true

646
00:31:15,460 --> 00:31:13,220
because one of the things that got me

647
00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:15,470
and got us in trouble and I guess I'm

648
00:31:19,900 --> 00:31:18,290
just wired this way is I will leave my

649
00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:19,910
office sometimes we'll get a glass of

650
00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:22,490
water downstairs and I come back

651
00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:25,850
upstairs and my light is off and that

652
00:31:28,870 --> 00:31:27,050
would happen about three or four times

653
00:31:29,470 --> 00:31:28,880
and you just shrug it off and okay maybe

654
00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:29,480
I forgot

655
00:31:33,940 --> 00:31:31,730
maybe I wasn't thinking or turned a

656
00:31:35,590 --> 00:31:33,950
light up but I will little be going to

657
00:31:37,180 --> 00:31:35,600
bed and I think in now why would I turn

658
00:31:39,970 --> 00:31:37,190
my light off I'm coming back to the room

659
00:31:41,740 --> 00:31:39,980
so I started putting cameras in the

660
00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:41,750
hallway and then my doorway and in my

661
00:31:47,610 --> 00:31:44,810
office just to see what was going on and

662
00:31:51,550 --> 00:31:47,620
when I started catching the video

663
00:31:53,350 --> 00:31:51,560
phenomena then I started bringing them

664
00:31:55,780 --> 00:31:53,360
more cameras and the more cameras I

665
00:31:58,480 --> 00:31:55,790
brought in it was like toys to the

666
00:32:01,470 --> 00:31:58,490
spirits because that's when the first

667
00:32:05,290 --> 00:32:01,480
camera got thrown or put facedown or

668
00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:05,300
unplugged or outright taken to where

669
00:32:10,210 --> 00:32:08,210
it's still missing because I'm bringing

670
00:32:12,970 --> 00:32:10,220
more electronics into the house but it

671
00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:12,980
was really those subtle things because I

672
00:32:18,220 --> 00:32:16,250
don't lose anything I mean when you live

673
00:32:20,260 --> 00:32:18,230
by yourself for as long as I have you

674
00:32:22,630 --> 00:32:20,270
just don't lose a misplace stuff you

675
00:32:23,980 --> 00:32:22,640
have you become a creature of habit and

676
00:32:25,660 --> 00:32:23,990
I tell him I book the first thing that

677
00:32:28,300 --> 00:32:25,670
went missing was my car keys the ones I

678
00:32:31,060 --> 00:32:28,310
never use and they were in the glovebox

679
00:32:32,590 --> 00:32:31,070
and they went missing so I just started

680
00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:32,600
thinking and thinking and keeping notes

681
00:32:39,790 --> 00:32:35,810
keeping records and true enough as you

682
00:32:41,139 --> 00:32:39,800
started looking for the activity they

683
00:32:43,509 --> 00:32:41,149
started increasing

684
00:32:45,700 --> 00:32:43,519
the activity to wear aha there is

685
00:32:48,820 --> 00:32:45,710
something that that object did move I

686
00:32:51,609 --> 00:32:48,830
saw it Tina saw it and then the camera

687
00:32:54,609 --> 00:32:51,619
started moving so yeah well what we need

688
00:32:58,749 --> 00:32:54,619
when you say Keith when you say they who

689
00:33:01,299 --> 00:32:58,759
are the hey do you have any idea I used

690
00:33:04,089 --> 00:33:01,309
I used the day word in regard based on

691
00:33:05,829 --> 00:33:04,099
the numbers of EVPs that Steve Don and

692
00:33:08,589 --> 00:33:05,839
others have captured I mean they

693
00:33:10,899 --> 00:33:08,599
captured so many EVPs and a majority of

694
00:33:13,060 --> 00:33:10,909
them were different voices I mean you

695
00:33:16,479 --> 00:33:13,070
have male voice female voice you had

696
00:33:20,889 --> 00:33:16,489
Irish accent non Irish accent you had

697
00:33:23,409 --> 00:33:20,899
kid voice child voice so I used they one

698
00:33:25,209 --> 00:33:23,419
of the my favorite EVPs that Steven donk

699
00:33:27,609 --> 00:33:25,219
caught was when they were in my hallway

700
00:33:29,229 --> 00:33:27,619
and they're setting up equipment going

701
00:33:30,969 --> 00:33:29,239
back to what we just talked about and

702
00:33:33,879 --> 00:33:30,979
they're sending up equipment in the

703
00:33:34,959 --> 00:33:33,889
hallway and they pick up these voices

704
00:33:36,459 --> 00:33:34,969
they can't hear him with the naked ear

705
00:33:38,799 --> 00:33:36,469
they found him upon review of the

706
00:33:41,529 --> 00:33:38,809
footage and there's two men voices

707
00:33:44,649 --> 00:33:41,539
whispering underdog Steve saying it's a

708
00:33:46,180 --> 00:33:44,659
camera it's a camera and it's clear

709
00:33:49,029 --> 00:33:46,190
voice like you and I are talking just as

710
00:33:51,579 --> 00:33:49,039
clear as day two male voices and they're

711
00:33:53,379 --> 00:33:51,589
whispering sort of snickering trying to

712
00:33:54,879 --> 00:33:53,389
guess the equipment of Steve and Donna

713
00:33:58,269 --> 00:33:54,889
use the song I used the word they

714
00:34:00,759 --> 00:33:58,279
because a lot of teams came in it was

715
00:34:02,739 --> 00:34:00,769
just an enormous amount of EVPs of

716
00:34:06,459 --> 00:34:02,749
different dialects different voices

717
00:34:08,409 --> 00:34:06,469
different decibel ranges to where I tell

718
00:34:12,250 --> 00:34:08,419
people there was probably know at any

719
00:34:14,289 --> 00:34:12,260
given Sunday no less than 11 spirits in

720
00:34:21,809 --> 00:34:14,299
the house I saved much more than that

721
00:34:24,940 --> 00:34:21,819
but no less than 11 Jenny now the

722
00:34:27,700 --> 00:34:24,950
experiences that Keith and Tina went

723
00:34:30,250 --> 00:34:27,710
through parapsychologists I mean they

724
00:34:33,069 --> 00:34:30,260
love to categorize everything and and

725
00:34:35,289 --> 00:34:33,079
we've been referring to what's been

726
00:34:39,099 --> 00:34:35,299
going on as as like poltergeist

727
00:34:40,690 --> 00:34:39,109
phenomena but this this seems to go way

728
00:34:42,970 --> 00:34:40,700
beyond that it goes way beyond

729
00:34:44,980 --> 00:34:42,980
poltergeist it goes way beyond you know

730
00:34:47,019 --> 00:34:44,990
like traditional hauntings you know

731
00:34:49,750 --> 00:34:47,029
whatever whatever that could be I mean

732
00:34:51,849 --> 00:34:49,760
you know it's like that we're talking

733
00:34:54,550 --> 00:34:51,859
about something just really out of the

734
00:34:57,930 --> 00:34:54,560
ballpark yeah and I think this is

735
00:35:00,580 --> 00:34:57,940
the main reasons that Steve Mara was so

736
00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:00,590
excited to kind of research this one

737
00:35:04,990 --> 00:35:02,570
further and you know wanted to write a

738
00:35:06,940 --> 00:35:05,000
book about it because he's like we've

739
00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:06,950
never really seen a case like this and

740
00:35:12,970 --> 00:35:09,170
he's been doing it for what 30 35 years

741
00:35:15,250 --> 00:35:12,980
at this point where so much of it was

742
00:35:17,530 --> 00:35:15,260
centered around poltergeist activity you

743
00:35:19,900 --> 00:35:17,540
know a poor tations you know things you

744
00:35:22,240 --> 00:35:19,910
know doors opening and you know random

745
00:35:25,300 --> 00:35:22,250
noises like unexplained noises he's like

746
00:35:26,770 --> 00:35:25,310
but then to have gotten so many EVPs I

747
00:35:28,810 --> 00:35:26,780
mean they got something they got

748
00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:28,820
hundreds and hundreds of EVPs just a

749
00:35:33,610 --> 00:35:32,210
ridiculous amount and like Keith said it

750
00:35:35,820 --> 00:35:33,620
was just it was a whole bunch of

751
00:35:38,290 --> 00:35:35,830
different voices and most of them seemed

752
00:35:40,060 --> 00:35:38,300
interactive they seemed to be answering

753
00:35:41,980 --> 00:35:40,070
questions that were posed to them or

754
00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:41,990
they seem to be commenting on the action

755
00:35:47,580 --> 00:35:45,650
at hand which is very very unusual and

756
00:35:50,290 --> 00:35:47,590
most of them were very very clear and

757
00:35:52,450 --> 00:35:50,300
you know also the more they researched

758
00:35:53,830 --> 00:35:52,460
the history of the property because you

759
00:35:57,780 --> 00:35:53,840
know as Keith said the house was not

760
00:36:01,090 --> 00:35:57,790
very old you know it seemed more like a

761
00:36:02,890 --> 00:36:01,100
haunting than poltergeist activity it

762
00:36:04,630 --> 00:36:02,900
was almost like a combination of the two

763
00:36:06,010 --> 00:36:04,640
things which they don't really see I

764
00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:06,020
mean there's not usually a lot of

765
00:36:10,870 --> 00:36:08,690
crossover because there was so much I

766
00:36:12,940 --> 00:36:10,880
mean because the you know former

767
00:36:16,210 --> 00:36:12,950
residents of the house had also reported

768
00:36:17,590 --> 00:36:16,220
unusual activity you know before the

769
00:36:20,860 --> 00:36:17,600
house was even built there had been a

770
00:36:23,170 --> 00:36:20,870
prior house on that particular piece of

771
00:36:25,540 --> 00:36:23,180
property and whereas the surrounding

772
00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:25,550
neighborhood had just been empty forest

773
00:36:32,890 --> 00:36:29,330
land as far as I can remember so it did

774
00:36:36,310 --> 00:36:32,900
seem to have a history and that maybe

775
00:36:38,740 --> 00:36:36,320
these were actually intelligent spirits

776
00:36:40,270 --> 00:36:38,750
that were listening to the living people

777
00:36:42,070 --> 00:36:40,280
and were answering and trying to

778
00:36:45,370 --> 00:36:42,080
interact with them and some at some

779
00:36:47,500 --> 00:36:45,380
stage but then it had kind of this this

780
00:36:49,060 --> 00:36:47,510
veneer of poltergeist activity and now

781
00:36:51,010 --> 00:36:49,070
whether it was two different things

782
00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:51,020
going on or whether this was just a

783
00:36:55,060 --> 00:36:54,170
particular area that was just active or

784
00:36:56,680 --> 00:36:55,070
this type of thing and it was just

785
00:36:59,050 --> 00:36:56,690
attracting all different types of

786
00:37:01,660 --> 00:36:59,060
energies they never could really

787
00:37:03,940 --> 00:37:01,670
determine I mean you know as we were

788
00:37:05,620 --> 00:37:03,950
saying earlier no one's really an expert

789
00:37:07,420 --> 00:37:05,630
in this type of stuff I mean yeah you

790
00:37:08,290 --> 00:37:07,430
can do it a long time you can see a lot

791
00:37:11,500 --> 00:37:08,300
of stuff

792
00:37:14,740 --> 00:37:11,510
but you know in the end this is a really

793
00:37:17,350 --> 00:37:14,750
unusual case you know having all of

794
00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:17,360
these different facets to it and I don't

795
00:37:22,660 --> 00:37:20,450
know if anyone will ever get to the

796
00:37:24,310 --> 00:37:22,670
bottom of what exactly was causing it

797
00:37:27,010 --> 00:37:24,320
whether it was something in the land or

798
00:37:29,500 --> 00:37:27,020
something you know with the house or you

799
00:37:32,710 --> 00:37:29,510
know who knows but it or something with

800
00:37:34,660 --> 00:37:32,720
the history even you know if some type

801
00:37:37,240 --> 00:37:34,670
of spirit or some type of you know

802
00:37:39,460 --> 00:37:37,250
traumatic incident in the past that

803
00:37:41,710 --> 00:37:39,470
happened there or whatever it could or

804
00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:41,720
it could even be some kind of maybe it's

805
00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:43,610
some kind of spiritual vortex or

806
00:37:47,260 --> 00:37:44,810
something like that where it's just

807
00:37:50,650 --> 00:37:47,270
coming in one special area that kind of

808
00:37:53,100 --> 00:37:50,660
draws all this kind of energy to it you

809
00:37:56,200 --> 00:37:53,110
had I know that when you were doing

810
00:37:58,840 --> 00:37:56,210
research on the property and had

811
00:38:02,050 --> 00:37:58,850
discovered that there had been a another

812
00:38:04,330 --> 00:38:02,060
house or a cabin I think is how you

813
00:38:07,240 --> 00:38:04,340
referred to it you know on the property

814
00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:07,250
years before and that the original

815
00:38:13,330 --> 00:38:10,130
occupants had gone to prison you know

816
00:38:16,870 --> 00:38:13,340
were sent to prison for life had have

817
00:38:19,420 --> 00:38:16,880
you ever been able to uncover why they

818
00:38:23,350 --> 00:38:19,430
went to prison you know what had

819
00:38:26,170 --> 00:38:23,360
happened I think it was something I mean

820
00:38:27,490 --> 00:38:26,180
as far as I can recall Steve was telling

821
00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:27,500
me you know it's very difficult to kind

822
00:38:32,740 --> 00:38:29,810
of obtain records from that far back but

823
00:38:34,030 --> 00:38:32,750
I don't think it was anything like I

824
00:38:35,410 --> 00:38:34,040
don't think it was murder or anything

825
00:38:38,380 --> 00:38:35,420
like that I would think it was more

826
00:38:40,420 --> 00:38:38,390
along the lines of you know theft or

827
00:38:47,230 --> 00:38:40,430
embezzlement or something along those

828
00:38:49,720 --> 00:38:47,240
kind of lines yeah yeah so you know I

829
00:38:51,490 --> 00:38:49,730
I'm not really sure like that I don't

830
00:38:54,220 --> 00:38:51,500
think the cabin was there very long I

831
00:38:56,020 --> 00:38:54,230
believe it was there in the 1940s but as

832
00:38:57,520 --> 00:38:56,030
far as I can remember you know Steve

833
00:39:00,100 --> 00:38:57,530
telling me and sending me some of the

834
00:39:02,020 --> 00:39:00,110
documents that you know that particular

835
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:02,030
piece that had just been a cabin on this

836
00:39:06,910 --> 00:39:04,970
particular piece of land and you know

837
00:39:08,890 --> 00:39:06,920
the the land surrounding it had just

838
00:39:10,420 --> 00:39:08,900
been forest land that was later cleared

839
00:39:11,470 --> 00:39:10,430
you know to build the neighborhood but

840
00:39:13,210 --> 00:39:11,480
there hadn't been anything so I thought

841
00:39:15,100 --> 00:39:13,220
that was kind of interesting because I

842
00:39:16,660 --> 00:39:15,110
mean evidently no one else in that

843
00:39:19,060 --> 00:39:16,670
neighborhood has reported any type of

844
00:39:21,820 --> 00:39:19,070
paranormal activity not not to the

845
00:39:24,130 --> 00:39:21,830
public anyway mm-hmm

846
00:39:26,230 --> 00:39:24,140
that it that is funny though that you

847
00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:26,240
know there had been you know some kind

848
00:39:32,500 --> 00:39:30,530
of building there beforehand and and

849
00:39:35,740 --> 00:39:32,510
then Keith's house is the only one saris

850
00:39:39,510 --> 00:39:35,750
you know that has this kind of activity

851
00:39:45,970 --> 00:39:39,520
but I guess though that the area itself

852
00:39:48,970 --> 00:39:45,980
had some problems in the past with Irish

853
00:39:51,670 --> 00:39:48,980
immigrants and the the Native Americans

854
00:39:53,650 --> 00:39:51,680
who are living there yeah it was I

855
00:39:55,210 --> 00:39:53,660
believe it was some type of you know

856
00:39:56,740 --> 00:39:55,220
like a logging community and a lot of

857
00:39:59,620 --> 00:39:56,750
Irish immigrants that worked in the

858
00:40:01,420 --> 00:39:59,630
logging industry at some point and there

859
00:40:02,950 --> 00:40:01,430
were skirmishes between them and Native

860
00:40:06,730 --> 00:40:02,960
American tribes evidently they were

861
00:40:08,770 --> 00:40:06,740
deaths on both sides so that might have

862
00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:08,780
explained and actually you know Steve

863
00:40:12,250 --> 00:40:10,370
Marin Don Phillips had told me that they

864
00:40:14,590 --> 00:40:12,260
were not aware of that history before

865
00:40:16,270 --> 00:40:14,600
they went there to research the property

866
00:40:19,630 --> 00:40:16,280
but because they were getting so many

867
00:40:21,850 --> 00:40:19,640
EVPs where the voices had very distinct

868
00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:21,860
Irish accents and they thought that was

869
00:40:26,830 --> 00:40:24,890
very strange so they started looking

870
00:40:29,020 --> 00:40:26,840
more into the history of the area and

871
00:40:30,610 --> 00:40:29,030
finding out that there were actually a

872
00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:30,620
lot of Irish immigrants living in this

873
00:40:34,390 --> 00:40:33,050
area so it's possible that these voices

874
00:40:36,460 --> 00:40:34,400
could have belonged to people that once

875
00:40:38,710 --> 00:40:36,470
lived in that area or died in that area

876
00:40:41,020 --> 00:40:38,720
or what have you but yeah they're there

877
00:40:42,310 --> 00:40:41,030
does seem to be you know a long history

878
00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:42,320
of that type of thing going on in that

879
00:40:49,720 --> 00:40:45,410
area well and I do know you know

880
00:40:52,930 --> 00:40:49,730
especially from records from the east

881
00:40:54,820 --> 00:40:52,940
coast that Irish immigrants that were

882
00:40:57,790 --> 00:40:54,830
brought over to work on building

883
00:41:01,480 --> 00:40:57,800
railroads if they would die in the

884
00:41:03,430 --> 00:41:01,490
process they were basically just dumped

885
00:41:04,900 --> 00:41:03,440
into a grave and sometimes a mass grave

886
00:41:06,130 --> 00:41:04,910
and covered over and everyone went on

887
00:41:09,190 --> 00:41:06,140
with their work so it makes you wonder

888
00:41:11,140 --> 00:41:09,200
if that may not have been you know the

889
00:41:12,990 --> 00:41:11,150
same situation and of course with the

890
00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:13,000
Native Americans

891
00:41:19,540 --> 00:41:17,330
you know if you know if their kind had

892
00:41:21,250 --> 00:41:19,550
run off and the bodies were left behind

893
00:41:24,460 --> 00:41:21,260
everybody would just be dumped in a

894
00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:24,470
grave and you know that's it yeah

895
00:41:30,940 --> 00:41:27,770
exactly yeah just to put a UH add to

896
00:41:33,599 --> 00:41:30,950
that discussion we did find out and this

897
00:41:34,769 --> 00:41:33,609
is easily accessible online if you reach

898
00:41:37,380 --> 00:41:34,779
search the history of Bothell and

899
00:41:39,029 --> 00:41:37,390
Snohomish County back in the mid

900
00:41:41,519 --> 00:41:39,039
eighteen hundreds I don't know the exact

901
00:41:44,519 --> 00:41:41,529
year cuz I'll have my notes with me but

902
00:41:47,519 --> 00:41:44,529
sometime in the mid 1800s there was a

903
00:41:49,620 --> 00:41:47,529
smallpox outbreak that decimated a

904
00:41:52,049 --> 00:41:49,630
Native American tribe called the willow

905
00:41:55,319 --> 00:41:52,059
people the Skykomish of Snohomish tribe

906
00:41:57,720 --> 00:41:55,329
and they were in Bothell that is the

907
00:42:01,049 --> 00:41:57,730
fact they were in and around Bothell and

908
00:42:04,589 --> 00:42:01,059
it was about 500 Native Americans who

909
00:42:06,839 --> 00:42:04,599
caught smallpox in perished during a

910
00:42:10,470 --> 00:42:06,849
cold winter spell in the mid eighteen

911
00:42:13,019 --> 00:42:10,480
hundreds in Bothell and we're put in

912
00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:13,029
mass graves of course nobody knows of

913
00:42:17,569 --> 00:42:14,650
those mass graves are but there is

914
00:42:20,849 --> 00:42:17,579
document - you're saying this did happen

915
00:42:22,470 --> 00:42:20,859
also and I mean if you go if you were in

916
00:42:26,430 --> 00:42:22,480
here in Boston I could even drive you to

917
00:42:29,279 --> 00:42:26,440
them there are so many unmarked almost

918
00:42:31,950 --> 00:42:29,289
shallow graves from Irish people from

919
00:42:34,620 --> 00:42:31,960
Native Americans from settlers of the

920
00:42:37,229 --> 00:42:34,630
1800 because like we said back then it

921
00:42:38,579 --> 00:42:37,239
was a logging community houses were much

922
00:42:41,789 --> 00:42:38,589
more spread out

923
00:42:42,720 --> 00:42:41,799
it was wooded area hey if we die or

924
00:42:45,569 --> 00:42:42,730
whatever

925
00:42:47,970 --> 00:42:45,579
hey there bury you then and there you

926
00:42:51,269 --> 00:42:47,980
come like a hundred ideas later put in a

927
00:42:54,329 --> 00:42:51,279
new you know homes we found bones and

928
00:42:56,339 --> 00:42:54,339
bodies in graves here in Seattle in the

929
00:42:58,440 --> 00:42:56,349
Seattle Pacific Northwest all the time

930
00:42:59,970 --> 00:42:58,450
it makes the news every now that

931
00:43:02,999 --> 00:42:59,980
especially when a big wind storm blows

932
00:43:05,069 --> 00:43:03,009
in bodies get uncovered had to do some

933
00:43:08,609 --> 00:43:05,079
excavation they called an archaeologists

934
00:43:12,779 --> 00:43:08,619
and they unearthed and find like I said

935
00:43:14,309 --> 00:43:12,789
settlers be the English or Native

936
00:43:16,470 --> 00:43:14,319
American and they have to contact the

937
00:43:19,140 --> 00:43:16,480
tribes the tribes himself had to come in

938
00:43:20,670 --> 00:43:19,150
and only they can touch their bodies

939
00:43:22,710 --> 00:43:20,680
only they could touch the remains of

940
00:43:24,539 --> 00:43:22,720
made of America so it's a whole process

941
00:43:26,309 --> 00:43:24,549
behind that but yeah all that is still

942
00:43:29,190 --> 00:43:26,319
in around Bothell and a lot of is

943
00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:29,200
relatively close to this neighborhood in

944
00:43:36,809 --> 00:43:35,170
that area well and some of the drawings

945
00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:36,819
that appeared on the wall in your office

946
00:43:41,660 --> 00:43:38,650
the one that I'm thinking of

947
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:41,670
particularly of the the you know

948
00:43:46,740 --> 00:43:44,890
stylized human figure upside down that

949
00:43:49,530 --> 00:43:46,750
had a very

950
00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:49,540
native-american appearance to it yeah

951
00:43:55,109 --> 00:43:53,770
that means a person has died already you

952
00:43:56,820 --> 00:43:55,119
know if you drill down on that

953
00:44:00,240 --> 00:43:56,830
definition from or him as a person has

954
00:44:03,900 --> 00:44:00,250
died by a sickness they became sick and

955
00:44:06,870 --> 00:44:03,910
ill and they died or it means a person

956
00:44:09,900 --> 00:44:06,880
is about to die mm-hmm that's a

957
00:44:13,080 --> 00:44:09,910
calligraphy Native American symbol that

958
00:44:16,050 --> 00:44:13,090
was drawn on my walls multiple times and

959
00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:16,060
yeah me seeing that and reading the part

960
00:44:21,630 --> 00:44:19,090
about a man is about to die yeah that's

961
00:44:24,830 --> 00:44:21,640
in shows down my spine yeah well were

962
00:44:26,970 --> 00:44:24,840
there any just you know like regular

963
00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:26,980
writings or notes or anything like that

964
00:44:31,560 --> 00:44:28,930
or yeah I think you had sew on the wall

965
00:44:34,589 --> 00:44:31,570
that just basically said die well then

966
00:44:37,560 --> 00:44:34,599
it's not writing my name like no I KL in

967
00:44:38,790 --> 00:44:37,570
initials KL if you look on back of

968
00:44:39,599 --> 00:44:38,800
Ginny's book you'll see one of those

969
00:44:41,130 --> 00:44:39,609
that happened either

970
00:44:45,150 --> 00:44:41,140
articles on my birthday or Christmas

971
00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:45,160
where they wrote die KL they wrote it on

972
00:44:50,040 --> 00:44:47,650
the front lawn the side lawn and the

973
00:44:55,980 --> 00:44:50,050
snow and they're running inside my car

974
00:44:59,400 --> 00:44:55,990
numerous times seem to be that there's a

975
00:45:01,710 --> 00:44:59,410
I I would say yeah and intelligence

976
00:45:05,310 --> 00:45:01,720
behind us I mean we're not just talking

977
00:45:08,370 --> 00:45:05,320
about yeah yeah but so but I mean what

978
00:45:11,550 --> 00:45:08,380
what is the intelligence and why I mean

979
00:45:13,020 --> 00:45:11,560
why why this yeah I mean you you maybe

980
00:45:15,060 --> 00:45:13,030
describe some of the reasons that they

981
00:45:16,890 --> 00:45:15,070
picked this as a place but I mean do you

982
00:45:20,310 --> 00:45:16,900
think it had anything to do with you but

983
00:45:23,730 --> 00:45:20,320
so ever or just random

984
00:45:25,320 --> 00:45:23,740
no because the family who has similar

985
00:45:27,990 --> 00:45:25,330
activity was in the house five years

986
00:45:29,220 --> 00:45:28,000
before me and Tina and there was this

987
00:45:31,380 --> 00:45:29,230
book of a lot of these low-level

988
00:45:35,970 --> 00:45:31,390
phenomena the kitchen cabinets the door

989
00:45:37,620 --> 00:45:35,980
slamming the phantom footsteps but but

990
00:45:42,079 --> 00:45:37,630
you're right there's the definite sign

991
00:45:46,290 --> 00:45:42,089
of intelligence of premeditation of

992
00:45:49,890 --> 00:45:46,300
calculation because more so more so than

993
00:45:52,740 --> 00:45:49,900
I would say in and most of the hauntings

994
00:45:56,400 --> 00:45:52,750
I would say I mean usually it's pretty

995
00:45:58,770 --> 00:45:56,410
just off the wall so to speak something

996
00:46:00,390 --> 00:45:58,780
flies across the room I I mean I know

997
00:46:02,250 --> 00:46:00,400
growing up I had a little pole

998
00:46:04,620 --> 00:46:02,260
guy's activities lights going on and off

999
00:46:08,910 --> 00:46:04,630
and all that but I mean that doesn't

1000
00:46:11,700 --> 00:46:08,920
show any it shows a force not more force

1001
00:46:16,980 --> 00:46:11,710
more than a creative intelligence I

1002
00:46:18,599 --> 00:46:16,990
would say they were dealing with

1003
00:46:22,079 --> 00:46:18,609
different kinds of poltergeist it's like

1004
00:46:24,930 --> 00:46:22,089
UFO not all UFOs are in the same born in

1005
00:46:27,210 --> 00:46:24,940
the same basket you know I mean and

1006
00:46:29,250 --> 00:46:27,220
poltergeist could well be the same I

1007
00:46:34,109 --> 00:46:29,260
mean they could be a heck of a lot of

1008
00:46:36,569 --> 00:46:34,119
things you know yeah well and that's

1009
00:46:37,769 --> 00:46:36,579
yeah I mean you know it's and and I've

1010
00:46:40,529 --> 00:46:37,779
seen this you know with poltergeist

1011
00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:40,539
activity as well I mean it's it's like

1012
00:46:45,630 --> 00:46:43,450
whatever the intelligence and I will put

1013
00:46:49,490 --> 00:46:45,640
intelligence behind it is it's always

1014
00:46:53,339 --> 00:46:49,500
listening and and and will react

1015
00:46:55,650 --> 00:46:53,349
oftentimes to what people say you know I

1016
00:46:57,450 --> 00:46:55,660
know that people have said oh well you

1017
00:47:00,839 --> 00:46:57,460
know I've heard that a poltergeist like

1018
00:47:03,059 --> 00:47:00,849
to tear up family photos which was you

1019
00:47:06,029 --> 00:47:03,069
know basically incorrect but then

1020
00:47:11,269 --> 00:47:06,039
afterwards this house the family photos

1021
00:47:18,059 --> 00:47:14,059
all right well we are coming up to our

1022
00:47:20,279 --> 00:47:18,069
top of the hour break so when we come

1023
00:47:22,620 --> 00:47:20,289
back I want to continue this

1024
00:47:27,660 --> 00:47:22,630
conversation with that Keith and Jenny

1025
00:47:31,049 --> 00:47:27,670
and Jenny I want to ask you about why

1026
00:47:32,940 --> 00:47:31,059
this this place is different from other

1027
00:47:35,370 --> 00:47:32,950
you know poltergeist locations you know

1028
00:47:37,470 --> 00:47:35,380
no teenagers that sort of thing so we

1029
00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:37,480
will return in just a few minutes after

1030
00:47:44,010 --> 00:47:47,870
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1031
00:47:55,820 --> 00:47:52,340
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1032
00:47:58,690 --> 00:47:55,830
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1033
00:48:03,410 --> 00:47:58,700
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1034
00:48:05,500 --> 00:48:03,420
exploring the unexplained UFO s ghosts

1035
00:48:07,910 --> 00:48:05,510
Lost Worlds

1036
00:48:11,750 --> 00:48:07,920
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1037
00:48:16,880 --> 00:48:11,760
dimensions it's time to take back the

1038
00:48:20,060 --> 00:48:16,890
night now your electrifying hosts of

1039
00:48:26,210 --> 00:48:20,070
exploring the bizarre Timothy Begley and

1040
00:48:28,430 --> 00:48:26,220
team sports alright welcome back to

1041
00:48:31,010 --> 00:48:28,440
exploring the bizarre the second Howard

1042
00:48:34,130 --> 00:48:31,020
tonight we're talking with Keith Linder

1043
00:48:37,610 --> 00:48:34,140
who is the author of the book the

1044
00:48:39,230 --> 00:48:37,620
bothell Hell House and Jenny Ashford who

1045
00:48:44,090 --> 00:48:39,240
has written a number of books about

1046
00:48:47,210 --> 00:48:44,100
poltergeist and including the book the

1047
00:48:53,630 --> 00:48:47,220
house fire at whispers about the the

1048
00:48:57,650 --> 00:48:53,640
same subject so Keith one of the things

1049
00:49:00,730 --> 00:48:57,660
that I noticed in your book you know on

1050
00:49:05,930 --> 00:49:00,740
top of you know all the other activity

1051
00:49:07,490 --> 00:49:05,940
the the writing's on the wall the the

1052
00:49:09,410 --> 00:49:07,500
Bible is disappearing and then

1053
00:49:15,430 --> 00:49:09,420
reappearing on fire

1054
00:49:20,420 --> 00:49:15,440
you also had a couple of apparitions

1055
00:49:22,250 --> 00:49:20,430
yeah this two chapters dedicated to the

1056
00:49:25,100 --> 00:49:22,260
apparition one is called the gray lady

1057
00:49:27,050 --> 00:49:25,110
and the white lady and that's because

1058
00:49:29,690 --> 00:49:27,060
that's the color they were when I saw

1059
00:49:35,990 --> 00:49:29,700
them the gray lady I saw interesting I

1060
00:49:38,600 --> 00:49:36,000
saw her 2012 late summer 2012 and yes he

1061
00:49:41,390 --> 00:49:38,610
was outside my office door I was on the

1062
00:49:44,300 --> 00:49:41,400
computer and all of a sudden I hear a

1063
00:49:46,190 --> 00:49:44,310
click and my lights in my room go off

1064
00:49:48,020 --> 00:49:46,200
and naturally when your right clicking

1065
00:49:50,690 --> 00:49:48,030
noise you turn toward the direction of a

1066
00:49:52,670 --> 00:49:50,700
light switch and I did I thought Tina

1067
00:49:54,890 --> 00:49:52,680
was playing a practical joke on me ha ha

1068
00:49:56,270 --> 00:49:54,900
ha very funny but I look in the doorway

1069
00:49:59,000 --> 00:49:56,280
and there's no Tina that there's a woman

1070
00:50:00,500 --> 00:49:59,010
standing there but it's not Tina and one

1071
00:50:02,420 --> 00:50:00,510
of the things I like to reiterate to

1072
00:50:05,090 --> 00:50:02,430
people is

1073
00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:05,100
this apparition Noah's operation to Taos

1074
00:50:09,640 --> 00:50:07,410
calling a ghost but it's really not

1075
00:50:12,920 --> 00:50:09,650
permission but it's full body there's no

1076
00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:12,930
translucent transparent transparency

1077
00:50:17,510 --> 00:50:15,450
anything about it and she look how

1078
00:50:21,290 --> 00:50:17,520
confused what at the same time look very

1079
00:50:24,500 --> 00:50:21,300
conniving and she darted and turned off

1080
00:50:26,690 --> 00:50:24,510
and took off running this hall happened

1081
00:50:29,060 --> 00:50:26,700
within less than a second I'm still not

1082
00:50:31,520 --> 00:50:29,070
even sure then what I'm seeing I know

1083
00:50:33,290 --> 00:50:31,530
what I'm seeing with my eyes but it's

1084
00:50:35,150 --> 00:50:33,300
not registering yet because I'm still

1085
00:50:37,730 --> 00:50:35,160
thinking that's Tina but it don't look

1086
00:50:40,340 --> 00:50:37,740
like Tina so I give chase and I turn

1087
00:50:44,630 --> 00:50:40,350
around the hall corner and of course the

1088
00:50:48,320 --> 00:50:44,640
the apparition is gone the next time

1089
00:50:50,480 --> 00:50:48,330
fast forward to two years later this is

1090
00:50:53,060 --> 00:50:50,490
about October I'm in my office and now

1091
00:50:55,250 --> 00:50:53,070
Tina when I saw the great lady was

1092
00:50:58,240 --> 00:50:55,260
taking a bath and taking a bubble bath

1093
00:51:01,340 --> 00:50:58,250
this time in 2014

1094
00:51:05,870 --> 00:51:01,350
Tina's outside vacuuming her truck and

1095
00:51:08,780 --> 00:51:05,880
it's summer and I'm in my office and I

1096
00:51:11,480 --> 00:51:08,790
hear a noise coming through the hallway

1097
00:51:13,760 --> 00:51:11,490
approaching me it's like rustling leaves

1098
00:51:16,280 --> 00:51:13,770
and it's like crunch crunch crunch

1099
00:51:19,850 --> 00:51:16,290
crunch crunch crunch and it's getting

1100
00:51:24,680 --> 00:51:19,860
closer and closer and I turned toward

1101
00:51:28,060 --> 00:51:24,690
the direction of the hallway and true

1102
00:51:30,290 --> 00:51:28,070
enough here comes this lady this woman

1103
00:51:33,170 --> 00:51:30,300
identical to the gray lady except now

1104
00:51:36,350 --> 00:51:33,180
she's all white but this time she's not

1105
00:51:40,100 --> 00:51:36,360
doing anything except being emotional as

1106
00:51:42,260 --> 00:51:40,110
stoic and she walks past my doorway and

1107
00:51:46,040 --> 00:51:42,270
goes into the guest room which is to the

1108
00:51:49,730 --> 00:51:46,050
right of me and disappears and once

1109
00:51:51,170 --> 00:51:49,740
again full-bodied solid that transparent

1110
00:51:54,740 --> 00:51:51,180
or anything but the thing I remember

1111
00:51:57,830 --> 00:51:54,750
most about her was the noise I heard

1112
00:52:00,830 --> 00:51:57,840
before she tried to corner and went by

1113
00:52:02,930 --> 00:52:00,840
my doorway and if you hadn't heard that

1114
00:52:03,980 --> 00:52:02,940
noise you probably wouldn't have noticed

1115
00:52:05,390 --> 00:52:03,990
they're walking by

1116
00:52:06,970 --> 00:52:05,400
that's what made me look over in that

1117
00:52:09,500 --> 00:52:06,980
direction because the noise was a

1118
00:52:11,570 --> 00:52:09,510
precursor if you will because I know I'm

1119
00:52:13,610 --> 00:52:11,580
hearing Tina at my left rear because my

1120
00:52:15,410 --> 00:52:13,620
left feet is facing my office window

1121
00:52:18,440 --> 00:52:15,420
which is to my driveway and Esther

1122
00:52:20,690 --> 00:52:18,450
yes and I'm hearing this awful noise in

1123
00:52:22,579 --> 00:52:20,700
my hallway so I turned toward the

1124
00:52:25,460 --> 00:52:22,589
direction not knowing what I'm gonna see

1125
00:52:28,039 --> 00:52:25,470
I knew was unusual and I was not

1126
00:52:31,250 --> 00:52:28,049
expecting to see a full bodied female

1127
00:52:34,460 --> 00:52:31,260
but I recognized her and she was holding

1128
00:52:36,920 --> 00:52:34,470
something there's a reenactment or video

1129
00:52:40,730 --> 00:52:36,930
reenactment of how all that went down on

1130
00:52:42,380 --> 00:52:40,740
my youtube channel some 3d got three 3d

1131
00:52:44,630 --> 00:52:42,390
animation guys from Microsoft

1132
00:52:46,700 --> 00:52:44,640
put the video together based on the

1133
00:52:49,480 --> 00:52:46,710
notes I gave them and it's a pretty good

1134
00:52:52,069 --> 00:52:49,490
reenactment of how that all went down

1135
00:52:54,260 --> 00:52:52,079
hearing the noise you see me at the

1136
00:52:57,170 --> 00:52:54,270
computer workstation I turn around and

1137
00:53:01,700 --> 00:52:57,180
face the doorway and yeah those walks

1138
00:53:05,720 --> 00:53:01,710
right by and you saw the same woman

1139
00:53:08,349 --> 00:53:05,730
later downstairs yeah this is downstairs

1140
00:53:11,210 --> 00:53:08,359
now it's back to the gray lady again and

1141
00:53:12,589 --> 00:53:11,220
I'm working I think these are from home

1142
00:53:13,940 --> 00:53:12,599
or that night I'm working on my laptop

1143
00:53:16,130 --> 00:53:13,950
at the kitchen table because the

1144
00:53:16,880 --> 00:53:16,140
activity has just got so dangerous

1145
00:53:19,010 --> 00:53:16,890
upstairs

1146
00:53:22,220 --> 00:53:19,020
I don't even work on my office anymore

1147
00:53:24,620 --> 00:53:22,230
and all of a sudden you know you know

1148
00:53:26,270 --> 00:53:24,630
this debts you feel a sense of being

1149
00:53:27,620 --> 00:53:26,280
watched like you ever been in the woods

1150
00:53:29,809 --> 00:53:27,630
and all of a sudden all the animals

1151
00:53:31,069 --> 00:53:29,819
stopped breathing making noise so I

1152
00:53:33,440 --> 00:53:31,079
looking for my computer

1153
00:53:36,620 --> 00:53:33,450
and I looked at the direction of the

1154
00:53:38,900 --> 00:53:36,630
staircase and looking dead at me got me

1155
00:53:41,120 --> 00:53:38,910
dead in their sights is the gray lady

1156
00:53:42,950 --> 00:53:41,130
she's just she's just staring at me now

1157
00:53:43,670 --> 00:53:42,960
you don't see her bite she's got her

1158
00:53:45,950 --> 00:53:43,680
head

1159
00:53:48,740 --> 00:53:45,960
peeped around the wall of the staircase

1160
00:53:53,270 --> 00:53:48,750
and her hair's all frazzled and frazzled

1161
00:53:54,440 --> 00:53:53,280
and her eyes are wide open and it looked

1162
00:53:56,120 --> 00:53:54,450
like she had been there I walk because

1163
00:53:58,880 --> 00:53:56,130
I've been feeling the sensation of being

1164
00:54:00,710 --> 00:53:58,890
watched for a few seconds before I

1165
00:54:02,690 --> 00:54:00,720
finally just quit and looked up and said

1166
00:54:05,329 --> 00:54:02,700
okay something feels weird let me survey

1167
00:54:07,819 --> 00:54:05,339
the house and soon as I looked at her

1168
00:54:09,530 --> 00:54:07,829
she darted upstairs you could hear the

1169
00:54:12,230 --> 00:54:09,540
thumping like if I was you and I was to

1170
00:54:14,089 --> 00:54:12,240
start thundering up the stairs you would

1171
00:54:16,010 --> 00:54:14,099
hear that noise I kid you not

1172
00:54:19,160 --> 00:54:16,020
that's what you heard going up the

1173
00:54:20,870 --> 00:54:19,170
stairs all the way up until the the

1174
00:54:24,730 --> 00:54:20,880
bedroom or the bathroom in the master

1175
00:54:28,720 --> 00:54:24,740
bedroom now

1176
00:54:30,100 --> 00:54:28,730
there was something about the way that

1177
00:54:32,470 --> 00:54:30,110
this woman looked I mean you know

1178
00:54:35,530 --> 00:54:32,480
besides the fact that she was you know

1179
00:54:39,670 --> 00:54:35,540
entirely entirely gray or entirely white

1180
00:54:44,280 --> 00:54:39,680
and the other time did she did she

1181
00:54:47,170 --> 00:54:44,290
resemble somebody that that you knew

1182
00:54:50,920 --> 00:54:47,180
yeah major major spoiler for your

1183
00:54:54,010 --> 00:54:50,930
listeners is because yeah when I saw the

1184
00:54:56,080 --> 00:54:54,020
gray lady back in 2012 keep in mind I

1185
00:54:58,630 --> 00:54:56,090
have not yet spoken to the previous

1186
00:55:01,990 --> 00:54:58,640
tenant yet we have not made any sort of

1187
00:55:04,990 --> 00:55:02,000
contact I finally got in contact with

1188
00:55:07,180 --> 00:55:05,000
the previous tenant two years later so

1189
00:55:09,640 --> 00:55:07,190
when I saw the previous tenant we're

1190
00:55:11,290 --> 00:55:09,650
chatting and she's giving me their

1191
00:55:12,940 --> 00:55:11,300
experience about the house and we're

1192
00:55:15,370 --> 00:55:12,950
building rapport over the weeks and

1193
00:55:16,990 --> 00:55:15,380
months and we're doing face chats and

1194
00:55:18,310 --> 00:55:17,000
all that and that activity is getting

1195
00:55:21,130 --> 00:55:18,320
worse

1196
00:55:24,730 --> 00:55:21,140
I'm started to like I know this face

1197
00:55:26,890 --> 00:55:24,740
I've seen this face before and about the

1198
00:55:28,930 --> 00:55:26,900
time I saw the apparition the second

1199
00:55:30,760 --> 00:55:28,940
time because now it's walking through

1200
00:55:32,890 --> 00:55:30,770
the hallway it looks lower like it

1201
00:55:35,560 --> 00:55:32,900
should be there versus the one that I

1202
00:55:37,630 --> 00:55:35,570
ran it took off running this will seem

1203
00:55:40,540 --> 00:55:37,640
like a movie that was playing a scene

1204
00:55:42,700 --> 00:55:40,550
like I was watching a recording or a

1205
00:55:45,250 --> 00:55:42,710
projection of a woman walking from left

1206
00:55:48,610 --> 00:55:45,260
to right past my door so I saw this face

1207
00:55:51,310 --> 00:55:48,620
longer and I realized this is Rhonda

1208
00:55:53,380 --> 00:55:51,320
this is the previous tenant who used to

1209
00:55:56,200 --> 00:55:53,390
live in the house based on what Rhonda

1210
00:55:58,210 --> 00:55:56,210
told me about what went on in the house

1211
00:56:00,460 --> 00:55:58,220
when her and her family lived there and

1212
00:56:04,810 --> 00:56:00,470
based on what she was going through now

1213
00:56:06,670 --> 00:56:04,820
at the time I was like that's that's her

1214
00:56:09,280 --> 00:56:06,680
but keep in mind

1215
00:56:10,600 --> 00:56:09,290
Rhonda lives in Yakima Washington which

1216
00:56:15,130 --> 00:56:10,610
is about five hundred miles from Seattle

1217
00:56:19,180 --> 00:56:15,140
and obviously is very much alive who is

1218
00:56:20,950 --> 00:56:19,190
this looking like her and at that day at

1219
00:56:24,280 --> 00:56:20,960
that stage of the game I did not know

1220
00:56:25,960 --> 00:56:24,290
terms like living apparition or crisis

1221
00:56:28,090 --> 00:56:25,970
apparition those terms were foreign to

1222
00:56:30,340 --> 00:56:28,100
me it would be two more years before I

1223
00:56:33,190 --> 00:56:30,350
realized there is a phenomena out there

1224
00:56:37,510 --> 00:56:33,200
known as a crisis or a living apparition

1225
00:56:39,850 --> 00:56:37,520
and yeah that they look just like Rhonda

1226
00:56:41,290 --> 00:56:39,860
the previous tenant who lived in the

1227
00:56:45,559 --> 00:56:41,300
house five years before me

1228
00:56:47,990 --> 00:56:45,569
so now the the previous tenants they had

1229
00:56:51,829 --> 00:56:48,000
similar experiences that you are having

1230
00:56:57,710 --> 00:56:51,839
did I mean did they yell did she liber8

1231
00:57:00,170 --> 00:56:57,720
what they went through yeah it was more

1232
00:57:02,300 --> 00:57:00,180
a getting lucky and I guess in

1233
00:57:04,040 --> 00:57:02,310
paranormal you can probably agree it's a

1234
00:57:06,680 --> 00:57:04,050
lot of is you know you get lucky sure

1235
00:57:09,440 --> 00:57:06,690
but you know every now and then we get

1236
00:57:11,120 --> 00:57:09,450
mail from other people previous tenants

1237
00:57:13,700 --> 00:57:11,130
mail come to the house so you get the

1238
00:57:15,020 --> 00:57:13,710
mail you like toss it or whatever or I

1239
00:57:16,880 --> 00:57:15,030
would give it to the landlord

1240
00:57:19,550 --> 00:57:16,890
this one I decide to keep as I asked the

1241
00:57:21,589 --> 00:57:19,560
landlord one time hey can you put me in

1242
00:57:23,420 --> 00:57:21,599
contact with the previous tenants he

1243
00:57:25,250 --> 00:57:23,430
told me he's not allowed to do that so

1244
00:57:28,130 --> 00:57:25,260
this letter I kept that I went on

1245
00:57:31,280 --> 00:57:28,140
Facebook and I googled her name I found

1246
00:57:32,720 --> 00:57:31,290
her befriended her and we chatted and

1247
00:57:34,220 --> 00:57:32,730
when I reached out to chat with her I

1248
00:57:36,650 --> 00:57:34,230
told her hey my name is Keith Wonder I'm

1249
00:57:38,480 --> 00:57:36,660
living in his Bothell house having some

1250
00:57:40,550 --> 00:57:38,490
kind of weird stuff but I didn't tell

1251
00:57:43,400 --> 00:57:40,560
her what the weird stuff was I was very

1252
00:57:48,609 --> 00:57:43,410
careful not to tell her what it was and

1253
00:57:52,520 --> 00:57:48,619
her initial response first was pause and

1254
00:57:54,430 --> 00:57:52,530
hey I need to talk to my husband first

1255
00:57:57,170 --> 00:57:54,440
before I asked her that question because

1256
00:57:59,630 --> 00:57:57,180
me and him just got back together and

1257
00:58:02,960 --> 00:57:59,640
let me clear with him but she gave me

1258
00:58:04,520 --> 00:58:02,970
three eye winks to say yet our house is

1259
00:58:06,890 --> 00:58:04,530
tripping but she didn't go into detail

1260
00:58:09,500 --> 00:58:06,900
but I didn't want to spook her so I said

1261
00:58:11,630 --> 00:58:09,510
take as much time as you want I'm not

1262
00:58:13,190 --> 00:58:11,640
going anywhere I don't want to spook you

1263
00:58:15,950 --> 00:58:13,200
I want you to report me to Facebook or

1264
00:58:18,620 --> 00:58:15,960
whatever two months later she chimes me

1265
00:58:20,329 --> 00:58:18,630
up on Facebook say hey Keith dadadada da

1266
00:58:21,559 --> 00:58:20,339
started took me so long to respond to

1267
00:58:23,960 --> 00:58:21,569
you

1268
00:58:25,069 --> 00:58:23,970
me and my husband had a long talk he

1269
00:58:26,720 --> 00:58:25,079
doesn't want me to do this by the way

1270
00:58:28,849 --> 00:58:26,730
but I feel I owe you this because it's

1271
00:58:31,819 --> 00:58:28,859
the Christian thing to do and her words

1272
00:58:34,250 --> 00:58:31,829
not mine was living in that house was a

1273
00:58:36,050 --> 00:58:34,260
living hell it was the beginning of the

1274
00:58:37,540 --> 00:58:36,060
end in that house and she just start

1275
00:58:39,650 --> 00:58:37,550
going through bullet points of what they

1276
00:58:42,349 --> 00:58:39,660
witnessed and saw she said the kitchen

1277
00:58:44,210 --> 00:58:42,359
cabinets opening up by themselves door

1278
00:58:48,290 --> 00:58:44,220
slammed they had a live-in nanny with

1279
00:58:49,670 --> 00:58:48,300
them footsteps phantom footsteps she

1280
00:58:51,470 --> 00:58:49,680
said one day she was outside on the

1281
00:58:54,050 --> 00:58:51,480
patio taking a cigarette breaking she's

1282
00:58:56,180 --> 00:58:54,060
left some food cooking on the stove

1283
00:58:58,220 --> 00:58:56,190
maybe in the highchair she said the

1284
00:59:00,830 --> 00:58:58,230
sliding door slams shut on her and

1285
00:59:03,650 --> 00:59:00,840
locked her out baby starts wailing she

1286
00:59:06,890 --> 00:59:03,660
had to get a rock to bust the glass to

1287
00:59:08,720 --> 00:59:06,900
get back into the house her son got sick

1288
00:59:11,660 --> 00:59:08,730
or develop a weird or interesting case

1289
00:59:14,180 --> 00:59:11,670
of meningitis her marriage to her

1290
00:59:16,400 --> 00:59:14,190
husband deteriorated she became suicidal

1291
00:59:20,030 --> 00:59:16,410
trying to commit suicide four times in

1292
00:59:22,100 --> 00:59:20,040
the home became addicted to the

1293
00:59:24,170 --> 00:59:22,110
painkillers and depressing medication

1294
00:59:27,220 --> 00:59:24,180
that she was taking as well as alcohol

1295
00:59:30,230 --> 00:59:27,230
so all this pool if you will of

1296
00:59:31,460 --> 00:59:30,240
quote-unquote bad energy in accordance

1297
00:59:33,710 --> 00:59:31,470
to the phenomena that they were

1298
00:59:35,630 --> 00:59:33,720
experiencing but they were not so much

1299
00:59:38,270 --> 00:59:35,640
calling it paranormal they just said it

1300
00:59:41,090 --> 00:59:38,280
was like a black cloud that position is

1301
00:59:42,290 --> 00:59:41,100
over over our house and they finally

1302
00:59:43,910 --> 00:59:42,300
went that they finally moved out they

1303
00:59:46,370 --> 00:59:43,920
were only in the house for a little bit

1304
00:59:48,350 --> 00:59:46,380
over a year and they just upped and

1305
00:59:51,590 --> 00:59:48,360
moved but they never told anybody they

1306
00:59:53,510 --> 00:59:51,600
just upped and moved and she said her

1307
00:59:56,150 --> 00:59:53,520
always had her son the one who developed

1308
00:59:58,120 --> 00:59:56,160
meningitis saw shadows at the corner of

1309
01:00:01,520 --> 00:59:58,130
his eye he still season for this day

1310
01:00:02,570 --> 01:00:01,530
this is back into 2014 he still sees

1311
01:00:05,270 --> 01:00:02,580
them to this day

1312
01:00:09,650 --> 01:00:05,280
little shadowy figures and when she told

1313
01:00:11,120 --> 01:00:09,660
me that his room her kid's room was my

1314
01:00:14,780 --> 01:00:11,130
office that was all I needed to know

1315
01:00:16,580 --> 01:00:14,790
because my office is anybody who's ready

1316
01:00:18,860 --> 01:00:16,590
in his book admirer or studies my notes

1317
01:00:22,220 --> 01:00:18,870
was Steve Maris notes his dog's notes no

1318
01:00:24,980 --> 01:00:22,230
the office is the most active room in

1319
01:00:27,410 --> 01:00:24,990
the house and next to it is the hallway

1320
01:00:29,300 --> 01:00:27,420
she told me her son that was her son's

1321
01:00:31,070 --> 01:00:29,310
office and keep in mind that's where I

1322
01:00:35,390 --> 01:00:31,080
saw the apparition twice right outside

1323
01:00:36,830 --> 01:00:35,400
the door looking like Rhonda yeah that

1324
01:00:40,070 --> 01:00:36,840
that was it for me that that confirmed

1325
01:00:42,710 --> 01:00:40,080
once again cuz me and Tina for for a

1326
01:00:45,620 --> 01:00:42,720
wild thought hey is it us did something

1327
01:00:47,990 --> 01:00:45,630
follow us is it you know we got some bad

1328
01:00:48,260 --> 01:00:48,000
mojo or whatever because you never know

1329
01:00:51,470 --> 01:00:48,270
right

1330
01:00:53,930 --> 01:00:51,480
but five years before us no it's not us

1331
01:00:56,240 --> 01:00:53,940
it was we walked here and it was already

1332
01:00:59,440 --> 01:00:56,250
here the kid called confirmed that yeah

1333
01:01:03,320 --> 01:00:59,450
these spirits were here when we got here

1334
01:01:07,650 --> 01:01:03,330
now Jenny you know he made an

1335
01:01:09,660 --> 01:01:07,660
interesting point there you know asking

1336
01:01:11,600 --> 01:01:09,670
was it uh you know was it us you know

1337
01:01:14,610 --> 01:01:11,610
are we the cause of this and

1338
01:01:15,090 --> 01:01:14,620
traditionally I you know for quite a

1339
01:01:16,890 --> 01:01:15,100
while now

1340
01:01:20,520 --> 01:01:16,900
you know parapsychologist you know what

1341
01:01:22,590 --> 01:01:20,530
it comes to poltergeist they usually you

1342
01:01:26,670 --> 01:01:22,600
know the general consensus you know take

1343
01:01:28,890 --> 01:01:26,680
that as it is is that usually a

1344
01:01:32,790 --> 01:01:28,900
poltergeist house you know there there's

1345
01:01:36,240 --> 01:01:32,800
usually a focus you know like a girl

1346
01:01:40,740 --> 01:01:36,250
going through puberty or something along

1347
01:01:44,160 --> 01:01:40,750
those lines but with the exception of

1348
01:01:46,260 --> 01:01:44,170
like really extreme cases you know a lot

1349
01:01:49,530 --> 01:01:46,270
like maybe you know stage you know six

1350
01:01:53,700 --> 01:01:49,540
or seven or ninety nine they never

1351
01:01:57,480 --> 01:01:53,710
really get to the point that Keith and

1352
01:01:59,880 --> 01:01:57,490
Tina were seeing in their house yeah

1353
01:02:02,700 --> 01:01:59,890
that's a really unusual particularly

1354
01:02:05,070 --> 01:02:02,710
when there's no I mean there was no

1355
01:02:05,880 --> 01:02:05,080
focus individual really and like I said

1356
01:02:07,920 --> 01:02:05,890
I think that's what's so interesting

1357
01:02:10,890 --> 01:02:07,930
about this case because it almost seemed

1358
01:02:12,660 --> 01:02:10,900
like a mixture because normally I mean

1359
01:02:14,220 --> 01:02:12,670
parapsychologist you know who've been

1360
01:02:15,600 --> 01:02:14,230
doing this for years and years will make

1361
01:02:18,170 --> 01:02:15,610
a distinction between this is a

1362
01:02:20,580 --> 01:02:18,180
poltergeist outbreak which is based on

1363
01:02:23,490 --> 01:02:20,590
you know the energy emitting from a

1364
01:02:25,110 --> 01:02:23,500
living person a focus individual and a

1365
01:02:27,720 --> 01:02:25,120
haunting which has to do with the

1366
01:02:30,360 --> 01:02:27,730
location but it seemed like this had

1367
01:02:32,010 --> 01:02:30,370
elements of both and it wasn't really

1368
01:02:34,980 --> 01:02:32,020
clear which one it was because I mean

1369
01:02:37,560 --> 01:02:34,990
obviously there was no focus individual

1370
01:02:39,930 --> 01:02:37,570
in this case and you know even sometimes

1371
01:02:42,870 --> 01:02:39,940
in the cases where the focus individuals

1372
01:02:46,470 --> 01:02:42,880
they don't necessarily have to be a kid

1373
01:02:49,440 --> 01:02:46,480
it usually is but anytime there's any

1374
01:02:51,510 --> 01:02:49,450
kind of like emotional turmoil or you

1375
01:02:53,370 --> 01:02:51,520
know some really really large emotional

1376
01:02:56,910 --> 01:02:53,380
trauma going on like within the family

1377
01:02:58,710 --> 01:02:56,920
structure usually that can kick off that

1378
01:03:02,280 --> 01:02:58,720
type of thing but it seemed like it

1379
01:03:05,040 --> 01:03:02,290
really didn't occur in this instance I

1380
01:03:06,840 --> 01:03:05,050
mean like he said they moved in and the

1381
01:03:09,300 --> 01:03:06,850
first night before their furniture was

1382
01:03:12,180 --> 01:03:09,310
even there they were experiencing

1383
01:03:14,340 --> 01:03:12,190
phenomena so clearly it wasn't anything

1384
01:03:17,160 --> 01:03:14,350
to do with them specifically even though

1385
01:03:19,350 --> 01:03:17,170
you know the longer he lived there it

1386
01:03:21,520 --> 01:03:19,360
really seemed to be you know a lot of

1387
01:03:23,350 --> 01:03:21,530
the manifestations seemed to be

1388
01:03:26,230 --> 01:03:23,360
targeting him specifically which was

1389
01:03:28,270 --> 01:03:26,240
which is really really strange I mean

1390
01:03:29,800 --> 01:03:28,280
that's it's just a really strange and

1391
01:03:31,720 --> 01:03:29,810
fascinating case which like I said was

1392
01:03:33,010 --> 01:03:31,730
the reason that Steve Mehra was so

1393
01:03:34,960 --> 01:03:33,020
interested in the reason I was

1394
01:03:36,850 --> 01:03:34,970
interested in enough to you know write a

1395
01:03:39,010 --> 01:03:36,860
book about Steve's experiences there

1396
01:03:41,170 --> 01:03:39,020
because it was just all over the place

1397
01:03:46,120 --> 01:03:41,180
I've never really read about another

1398
01:03:47,980 --> 01:03:46,130
case like that well I mean there and I

1399
01:03:49,420 --> 01:03:47,990
could see where this would be really you

1400
01:03:52,270 --> 01:03:49,430
know perplexing because there are a lot

1401
01:03:54,070 --> 01:03:52,280
of you know so similarities between what

1402
01:03:56,440 --> 01:03:54,080
Keith is going to you know say like the

1403
01:04:00,780 --> 01:03:56,450
writing's on the walls you know it

1404
01:04:04,300 --> 01:04:00,790
reminds me of the the Humpty do

1405
01:04:07,290 --> 01:04:04,310
poltergeist case yeah in Australia where

1406
01:04:10,240 --> 01:04:07,300
the poltergeist was using pebbles to

1407
01:04:16,000 --> 01:04:10,250
leave messages on the floor to be you

1408
01:04:17,860 --> 01:04:16,010
know to the occupants when and there was

1409
01:04:21,010 --> 01:04:17,870
a there's another case in California and

1410
01:04:25,120 --> 01:04:21,020
I can't remember where it was where

1411
01:04:28,000 --> 01:04:25,130
whatever it was was leaving very

1412
01:04:31,650 --> 01:04:28,010
intelligent messages on the bathroom

1413
01:04:35,770 --> 01:04:31,660
window but a bathroom mirror for a

1414
01:04:37,750 --> 01:04:35,780
number a number of years yeah I don't

1415
01:04:40,780 --> 01:04:37,760
know if you're familiar with that case

1416
01:04:44,350 --> 01:04:40,790
but whatever the entity was it had

1417
01:04:48,640 --> 01:04:44,360
targeted the author's mother-in-law and

1418
01:04:53,500 --> 01:04:48,650
said that it was there to kill her for a

1419
01:04:56,560 --> 01:04:53,510
sacrifice and actually a ported a very

1420
01:04:59,250 --> 01:04:56,570
old African type of sacrificial knife

1421
01:05:06,550 --> 01:04:59,260
you know into their house at one point

1422
01:05:08,680 --> 01:05:06,560
you know oh yeah but this this case is

1423
01:05:11,080 --> 01:05:08,690
you know like Falls is the the only

1424
01:05:15,100 --> 01:05:11,090
difference that I can see with the

1425
01:05:17,830 --> 01:05:15,110
exception of the EVPs that that you know

1426
01:05:21,970 --> 01:05:17,840
that you experienced is a lot of times

1427
01:05:25,300 --> 01:05:21,980
when a poltergeist you know gets this

1428
01:05:28,690 --> 01:05:25,310
advanced it starts talking and not just

1429
01:05:32,560 --> 01:05:28,700
you know you EVP talking's but like Bell

1430
01:05:34,680 --> 01:05:32,570
Witch talking or Jeff Jeff the talky

1431
01:05:37,710 --> 01:05:34,690
Fonzie

1432
01:05:40,339 --> 01:05:37,720
I know typically what's me what's me to

1433
01:05:42,210 --> 01:05:40,349
mention this is the the new book that's

1434
01:05:46,529 --> 01:05:42,220
that we're going to be coming out with

1435
01:05:48,420 --> 01:05:46,539
at the beginning of the year but Keith I

1436
01:05:50,069 --> 01:05:48,430
mean did you with the exception of the

1437
01:05:52,859 --> 01:05:50,079
EVPs I mean did you ever hear anything

1438
01:05:56,279 --> 01:05:52,869
you know along those lines where you

1439
01:05:59,400 --> 01:05:56,289
know whatever it was was talking to you

1440
01:06:01,049 --> 01:05:59,410
out loud yeah I mean that's so much

1441
01:06:02,849 --> 01:06:01,059
talking to me because I'm familiar with

1442
01:06:04,680 --> 01:06:02,859
the bill which in the manga because I've

1443
01:06:07,170 --> 01:06:04,690
been you know trying to fight cases

1444
01:06:08,430 --> 01:06:07,180
similar to my own but you know and those

1445
01:06:10,049 --> 01:06:08,440
you know the Bell which was having

1446
01:06:12,210 --> 01:06:10,059
conversations with the house occupants

1447
01:06:14,099 --> 01:06:12,220
in turning them but knows where it may

1448
01:06:16,559 --> 01:06:14,109
attend it was sometimes beating that's a

1449
01:06:18,839 --> 01:06:16,569
big house two story I'm upstairs she's

1450
01:06:20,549 --> 01:06:18,849
down or vice versa and I would walk

1451
01:06:23,370 --> 01:06:20,559
downstairs and walk to the couch and say

1452
01:06:25,950 --> 01:06:23,380
what do you want if you like what you

1453
01:06:29,339 --> 01:06:25,960
talking about I like you called me this

1454
01:06:30,930 --> 01:06:29,349
is like no I didn't and vice versa or

1455
01:06:33,240 --> 01:06:30,940
I'd be in the office what did she walk

1456
01:06:35,759 --> 01:06:33,250
in yeah what do you want I'm like I

1457
01:06:37,920 --> 01:06:35,769
didn't call you and that will go on for

1458
01:06:40,079 --> 01:06:37,930
like a year and a half we just because

1459
01:06:42,210 --> 01:06:40,089
we didn't know Portuguese and the levels

1460
01:06:45,749 --> 01:06:42,220
and the talking and not talking and we

1461
01:06:49,740 --> 01:06:45,759
know what a EVP EVP was or disembodied

1462
01:06:51,569 --> 01:06:49,750
voice but Stephen doll had an episode

1463
01:06:53,069 --> 01:06:51,579
when they brought Nick Kyle the second

1464
01:06:55,620 --> 01:06:53,079
time around where they were once again

1465
01:06:57,450 --> 01:06:55,630
in the hallway and they just heard a

1466
01:07:00,180 --> 01:06:57,460
woman I forgot what the woman said

1467
01:07:01,980 --> 01:07:00,190
directly but just blurted out something

1468
01:07:04,829 --> 01:07:01,990
and Stephen Dawn heard I would even

1469
01:07:06,589 --> 01:07:04,839
there and and both those are like wow

1470
01:07:10,559 --> 01:07:06,599
they stopped dead and I trust like wow

1471
01:07:13,920 --> 01:07:10,569
but yeah that happened a lot just voices

1472
01:07:15,990 --> 01:07:13,930
blurting out but nothing to the level

1473
01:07:18,480 --> 01:07:16,000
and thank God of the Bell Witch and the

1474
01:07:20,700 --> 01:07:18,490
talking on this case of them talking hey

1475
01:07:22,859 --> 01:07:20,710
I'm gonna get you or you in trouble or

1476
01:07:24,980 --> 01:07:22,869
you know and that because I don't know

1477
01:07:27,839 --> 01:07:24,990
what how I would handle that

1478
01:07:30,329 --> 01:07:27,849
specifically but I mean the wall

1479
01:07:33,630 --> 01:07:30,339
writings to die KL leaving nasty notes

1480
01:07:38,069 --> 01:07:33,640
on the wall in my car and stuff like

1481
01:07:40,499 --> 01:07:38,079
that that's close that might be a level

1482
01:07:43,410 --> 01:07:40,509
of two below that but yeah that's close

1483
01:07:45,390 --> 01:07:43,420
so now Tina's reaction to all of this

1484
01:07:48,380 --> 01:07:45,400
you know through the years I mean you

1485
01:07:50,240 --> 01:07:48,390
know what what was going on with her

1486
01:07:52,730 --> 01:07:50,250
I mean you know we've talked about you

1487
01:07:54,559 --> 01:07:52,740
know like but what you you know did put

1488
01:07:56,980 --> 01:07:54,569
up cameras and you know recording things

1489
01:08:00,349 --> 01:07:56,990
I know you know what what was she doing

1490
01:08:02,599 --> 01:08:00,359
Tim oh we had a sort of a tag team of

1491
01:08:03,980 --> 01:08:02,609
Tina's trying to get churches in the

1492
01:08:06,200 --> 01:08:03,990
home as soon as possible

1493
01:08:09,140 --> 01:08:06,210
and I was trying to get paranormal teams

1494
01:08:10,759 --> 01:08:09,150
in the home as soon as possible and a

1495
01:08:13,579 --> 01:08:10,769
lot of times the phenomena would happen

1496
01:08:16,070 --> 01:08:13,589
around us but we sort of we could easier

1497
01:08:18,590 --> 01:08:16,080
said than done just form ranks and close

1498
01:08:20,860 --> 01:08:18,600
ranks and try to have a united front but

1499
01:08:24,289 --> 01:08:20,870
it's easier said than done

1500
01:08:27,550 --> 01:08:24,299
but overall Tina had the same mindset I

1501
01:08:30,229 --> 01:08:27,560
have of we need to figure this out and

1502
01:08:31,939 --> 01:08:30,239
if you're telling us it's okay to stay

1503
01:08:34,039 --> 01:08:31,949
here and fight this battle not gonna

1504
01:08:37,249 --> 01:08:34,049
help us we'll stay and fight it but we

1505
01:08:40,189 --> 01:08:37,259
don't want to fight it alone what was

1506
01:08:42,260 --> 01:08:40,199
south for Tina was the episode of how

1507
01:08:45,200 --> 01:08:42,270
she was portrayed on Ghost Adventures

1508
01:08:47,510 --> 01:08:45,210
because going back to that agent theory

1509
01:08:50,599 --> 01:08:47,520
of all the women or as an adolescent

1510
01:08:53,329 --> 01:08:50,609
child or female child the ending of that

1511
01:08:54,709 --> 01:08:53,339
episode sort of painted or the audience

1512
01:08:57,439 --> 01:08:54,719
took it that way based on their being

1513
01:09:00,229 --> 01:08:57,449
constructed that way of it might be Tina

1514
01:09:02,300 --> 01:09:00,239
when the the lead investigators I bagged

1515
01:09:04,249 --> 01:09:02,310
and said I'm feeling the word uneasy

1516
01:09:06,499 --> 01:09:04,259
feeling around Tina and then the show

1517
01:09:08,419 --> 01:09:06,509
just abruptly goes off and everybody's

1518
01:09:08,809 --> 01:09:08,429
like Tina figure that yep that's her

1519
01:09:11,240 --> 01:09:08,819
yeah

1520
01:09:15,229 --> 01:09:11,250
that's her that's it case closed next

1521
01:09:16,939 --> 01:09:15,239
and that took a real toll on her and I

1522
01:09:19,939 --> 01:09:16,949
put it in the book she moved out a few

1523
01:09:22,669 --> 01:09:19,949
weeks after that episode there ah that's

1524
01:09:24,800 --> 01:09:22,679
too well you know in the the final

1525
01:09:26,559 --> 01:09:24,810
segment of the program which we're gonna

1526
01:09:29,180 --> 01:09:26,569
have to be going to a break in about

1527
01:09:35,180 --> 01:09:29,190
three minutes I want to get in a little

1528
01:09:39,530 --> 01:09:35,190
bit more about Zach's coming to your

1529
01:09:43,849 --> 01:09:39,540
house and Steve Mehra as well because

1530
01:09:47,510 --> 01:09:43,859
you know thank heavens you got Steve to

1531
01:09:51,019 --> 01:09:47,520
come over because you know I mean you

1532
01:09:53,689 --> 01:09:51,029
know some of these other methods you

1533
01:09:54,950 --> 01:09:53,699
know I think using the church or you

1534
01:09:59,680 --> 01:09:54,960
know these you know the psyche

1535
01:10:04,690 --> 01:10:01,360
spinning our wheels

1536
01:10:06,670 --> 01:10:04,700
and like you said earlier these poacher

1537
01:10:08,530 --> 01:10:06,680
guys regardless of what level they are

1538
01:10:10,960 --> 01:10:08,540
they don't suffer fools I don't feel

1539
01:10:12,850 --> 01:10:10,970
sorry for you if you do the wrong thing

1540
01:10:14,440 --> 01:10:12,860
they just make it worse and ratchet up a

1541
01:10:15,970 --> 01:10:14,450
notch because they're like oh you want

1542
01:10:18,400 --> 01:10:15,980
to Sage go ahead go right ahead go ahead

1543
01:10:20,230 --> 01:10:18,410
sage because the first wall rounds in

1544
01:10:21,640 --> 01:10:20,240
our home were written with sage sticks I

1545
01:10:24,400 --> 01:10:21,650
mean it would take our sage sticks and

1546
01:10:26,940 --> 01:10:24,410
use our own weapons if you will our own

1547
01:10:29,710 --> 01:10:26,950
tools against us we're writing the

1548
01:10:32,020 --> 01:10:29,720
symbols and the words on the office wall

1549
01:10:33,670 --> 01:10:32,030
and leave you with half a sage stick

1550
01:10:36,700 --> 01:10:33,680
when you come home so that lets you know

1551
01:10:38,470 --> 01:10:36,710
you know psychologically hey that

1552
01:10:39,760 --> 01:10:38,480
doesn't work on us and we go back to the

1553
01:10:40,510 --> 01:10:39,770
people who gave us the advice in the

1554
01:10:41,950 --> 01:10:40,520
first place

1555
01:10:43,270 --> 01:10:41,960
and all they make us say is you gotta

1556
01:10:43,870 --> 01:10:43,280
keep doing it got it you gotta keep

1557
01:10:47,800 --> 01:10:43,880
doing it

1558
01:10:49,600 --> 01:10:47,810
gotta gotta be persistent so yeah mm all

1559
01:10:50,950 --> 01:10:49,610
right well let's say let's go to our

1560
01:10:52,920 --> 01:10:50,960
bottom of the hour break and when we

1561
01:10:57,100 --> 01:10:52,930
come back we'll talk about some of the

1562
01:10:58,780 --> 01:10:57,110
investigators that came to the Hell

1563
01:11:10,350 --> 01:10:58,790
House that's all I can say about

1564
01:11:17,080 --> 01:11:14,500
now back to exploring the bazaars with

1565
01:11:20,380 --> 01:11:17,090
two of the most electrifying researchers

1566
01:11:26,230 --> 01:11:20,390
in the Paranoid your hosts Timothy Becca

1567
01:11:28,600 --> 01:11:26,240
Lee and team sports alright welcome back

1568
01:11:29,890 --> 01:11:28,610
to the final segment of exploring the

1569
01:11:34,090 --> 01:11:29,900
Bazaar tonight we're talking with Keith

1570
01:11:39,220 --> 01:11:34,100
Linder and Jenny Ashford so Keith tell

1571
01:11:41,890 --> 01:11:39,230
us about how reality television got

1572
01:11:47,250 --> 01:11:41,900
involved in the investigation of your

1573
01:11:50,920 --> 01:11:47,260
your house yes so KOMO News which is

1574
01:11:52,240 --> 01:11:50,930
Seattle we had been experienced by now

1575
01:11:54,760 --> 01:11:52,250
we've experienced over two and a half

1576
01:11:58,570 --> 01:11:54,770
years of activity and had really

1577
01:11:59,920 --> 01:11:58,580
exhausted all means of local help and I

1578
01:12:01,540 --> 01:11:59,930
believe was one of our neighbors

1579
01:12:04,270 --> 01:12:01,550
notified

1580
01:12:08,110 --> 01:12:04,280
come on news about our house being

1581
01:12:11,170 --> 01:12:08,120
haunted they called me up and say hey we

1582
01:12:13,030 --> 01:12:11,180
want to do a story on the home I thought

1583
01:12:16,840 --> 01:12:13,040
it would be a good way to get more eyes

1584
01:12:18,910 --> 01:12:16,850
and ears as far as help and when they

1585
01:12:21,700 --> 01:12:18,920
came into the home this is around

1586
01:12:24,640 --> 01:12:21,710
Halloween time of 2014 they did a

1587
01:12:26,500 --> 01:12:24,650
segment upon leaving because they hear

1588
01:12:29,530 --> 01:12:26,510
two loud bang the reporter who was doing

1589
01:12:31,810 --> 01:12:29,540
a segment her - one of the loud bangs

1590
01:12:34,390 --> 01:12:31,820
and terrified her but she said that she

1591
01:12:36,850 --> 01:12:34,400
was a friend of Dave Schrader he said

1592
01:12:41,050 --> 01:12:36,860
she would call Dave Schrader tonight and

1593
01:12:43,450 --> 01:12:41,060
let her know what she experienced Dave

1594
01:12:45,550 --> 01:12:43,460
called me the next day and I was at work

1595
01:12:49,120 --> 01:12:45,560
we talked about 15 minutes and he said

1596
01:12:53,170 --> 01:12:49,130
hey I know Ghost Adventures I know Zak

1597
01:12:56,230 --> 01:12:53,180
and crew would be appreciative to come

1598
01:12:57,820 --> 01:12:56,240
to your house and investigate but you

1599
01:13:00,310 --> 01:12:57,830
know and see what you got

1600
01:13:01,780 --> 01:13:00,320
and what we need you know we need you

1601
01:13:03,640 --> 01:13:01,790
know you're a rental so we need your

1602
01:13:04,930 --> 01:13:03,650
home owner to sign off so I went to the

1603
01:13:07,810 --> 01:13:04,940
homeowner a bit keeping them up-to-date

1604
01:13:10,240 --> 01:13:07,820
on the activity he gave the thumbs up

1605
01:13:11,890 --> 01:13:10,250
and said just keep him apprised once

1606
01:13:13,960 --> 01:13:11,900
again he never set foot in the house but

1607
01:13:16,660 --> 01:13:13,970
keeping them apprised of your email and

1608
01:13:19,810 --> 01:13:16,670
so yeah as you know that the guys came I

1609
01:13:20,109 --> 01:13:19,820
believe a month or so later and but

1610
01:13:22,359 --> 01:13:20,119
there

1611
01:13:24,580 --> 01:13:22,369
it was very short what do you don't see

1612
01:13:26,919 --> 01:13:24,590
in the episode episode ms 45 min episode

1613
01:13:29,560 --> 01:13:26,929
but the guys I'm a hardcore

1614
01:13:33,279 --> 01:13:29,570
investigation was probably about 4 to 5

1615
01:13:34,659 --> 01:13:33,289
hours I have 5 hours and even I not

1616
01:13:36,939 --> 01:13:34,669
knowing anything about the paranormal

1617
01:13:39,549 --> 01:13:36,949
never investigated a haunted house or a

1618
01:13:42,369 --> 01:13:39,559
haunted location new I know these I know

1619
01:13:44,350 --> 01:13:42,379
these these entities 5 hours is nothing

1620
01:13:48,369 --> 01:13:44,360
I mean they went dormant for a year 2

1621
01:13:49,569 --> 01:13:48,379
months what's 5 hours but we didn't hear

1622
01:13:51,189 --> 01:13:49,579
from them for 2 and a half months we

1623
01:13:53,229 --> 01:13:51,199
didn't know how the episode was gonna

1624
01:13:55,959 --> 01:13:53,239
look how he was gonna be betrayed and

1625
01:13:59,529 --> 01:13:55,969
when episode aired February 25th to 28th

1626
01:14:00,969 --> 01:13:59,539
of 20 2015 when the world sees that's

1627
01:14:02,409 --> 01:14:00,979
when me a Tina saw and that's when my

1628
01:14:04,239 --> 01:14:02,419
homeowners so we were not being kept

1629
01:14:06,929 --> 01:14:04,249
updated we didn't even know they found

1630
01:14:09,850 --> 01:14:06,939
nothing until we saw the episode and

1631
01:14:11,770 --> 01:14:09,860
yeah we've got a lot of a lot of slack

1632
01:14:14,549 --> 01:14:11,780
for that from the paranormal community

1633
01:14:18,279 --> 01:14:14,559
meaning those that were fans of the show

1634
01:14:19,779 --> 01:14:18,289
of being hoaxsters fakers Tina did the

1635
01:14:22,270 --> 01:14:19,789
girl did it she looks weird it's her

1636
01:14:23,709 --> 01:14:22,280
Keith started out as out of die I always

1637
01:14:26,109 --> 01:14:23,719
like back in his time it goes for

1638
01:14:28,179 --> 01:14:26,119
interest time so that made me drill down

1639
01:14:29,409 --> 01:14:28,189
especially after the the cause and

1640
01:14:29,770 --> 01:14:29,419
breakup of our relationship because once

1641
01:14:31,359 --> 01:14:29,780
again

1642
01:14:33,639 --> 01:14:31,369
Tina moved out soon after that

1643
01:14:36,369 --> 01:14:33,649
especially when she was painted as being

1644
01:14:39,219 --> 01:14:36,379
the fall guy so that made me drill down

1645
01:14:41,770 --> 01:14:39,229
and just spend countless hours and

1646
01:14:44,109 --> 01:14:41,780
seattle public library researching the

1647
01:14:46,689 --> 01:14:44,119
term pocha guys cuz by then I had heard

1648
01:14:49,659 --> 01:14:46,699
the term I found a lot of parapsychology

1649
01:14:52,029 --> 01:14:49,669
books and there was Steve Mehra's name

1650
01:14:53,649 --> 01:14:52,039
and a lot of them I was surprised that

1651
01:14:55,449 --> 01:14:53,659
all the books I was reading about

1652
01:14:57,639 --> 01:14:55,459
Portugal majority was coming out of the

1653
01:15:01,089 --> 01:14:57,649
UK so I'm like okay that's kind of weird

1654
01:15:03,189 --> 01:15:01,099
but I emailed a lot of organizations and

1655
01:15:05,139 --> 01:15:03,199
Steve Mayer replied to my emails after I

1656
01:15:07,209 --> 01:15:05,149
sent him a couple of emails

1657
01:15:10,540 --> 01:15:07,219
he was very inquisitive about the photos

1658
01:15:13,509 --> 01:15:10,550
and yes oh hey man this a chief

1659
01:15:17,560 --> 01:15:13,519
researcher Don came about four months

1660
01:15:22,089 --> 01:15:17,570
after that jenni why don't you tell us a

1661
01:15:24,009 --> 01:15:22,099
little bit about how Steve did his

1662
01:15:26,350 --> 01:15:24,019
investigation I mean you know what the

1663
01:15:29,109 --> 01:15:26,360
difference is between you know somebody

1664
01:15:32,139 --> 01:15:29,119
who who takes this seriously like Steve

1665
01:15:33,910 --> 01:15:32,149
does and and the difference between that

1666
01:15:37,330 --> 01:15:33,920
and reality television

1667
01:15:39,520 --> 01:15:37,340
yeah that was one of the things that he

1668
01:15:41,320 --> 01:15:39,530
was actually Steve told me that he was

1669
01:15:44,800 --> 01:15:41,330
actually very reluctant to take on the

1670
01:15:46,510 --> 01:15:44,810
case at first mostly because it had been

1671
01:15:48,250 --> 01:15:46,520
investigated by Ghost Adventures and

1672
01:15:50,950 --> 01:15:48,260
there was so much like negative baggage

1673
01:15:52,960 --> 01:15:50,960
already attached to it you know the

1674
01:15:54,400 --> 01:15:52,970
thing about reality TV and a lot of

1675
01:15:56,260 --> 01:15:54,410
these paranormal shows is they're

1676
01:15:57,940 --> 01:15:56,270
primarily entertainment they're not for

1677
01:16:01,990 --> 01:15:57,950
research purposes or anything like that

1678
01:16:03,700 --> 01:16:02,000
so their whole goal is to you know make

1679
01:16:06,130 --> 01:16:03,710
something happen in the house or edit it

1680
01:16:08,290 --> 01:16:06,140
so that it looks like something and I

1681
01:16:10,720 --> 01:16:08,300
mean I saw the Ghost Adventures

1682
01:16:13,660 --> 01:16:10,730
that was that was done at Keith's house

1683
01:16:14,980 --> 01:16:13,670
and it's I'm not a big fan of Ghost

1684
01:16:18,310 --> 01:16:14,990
Adventures I'm not a big fan of

1685
01:16:19,120 --> 01:16:18,320
paranormal TV shows in general but that

1686
01:16:21,520 --> 01:16:19,130
was just

1687
01:16:26,140 --> 01:16:21,530
it's very lazy seemed a little bit like

1688
01:16:28,030 --> 01:16:26,150
a hack job and so I could see how how

1689
01:16:30,280 --> 01:16:28,040
you would be angry about that and how

1690
01:16:32,980 --> 01:16:30,290
you would want you know some vindication

1691
01:16:37,600 --> 01:16:32,990
after a TV show portrayed youth in that

1692
01:16:40,420 --> 01:16:37,610
way so you know I think that kind of was

1693
01:16:43,360 --> 01:16:40,430
one of the things I mean that and all of

1694
01:16:47,050 --> 01:16:43,370
the evidence that Keith was so careful

1695
01:16:48,760 --> 01:16:47,060
about collecting and you know keeping

1696
01:16:50,830 --> 01:16:48,770
track of that I think impressed Steve

1697
01:16:54,190 --> 01:16:50,840
enough that he came over there and I

1698
01:16:56,680 --> 01:16:54,200
think that I mean his main thing he and

1699
01:16:58,600 --> 01:16:56,690
Don Phillips the first time they came

1700
01:16:59,980 --> 01:16:58,610
because they they came two times the

1701
01:17:01,090 --> 01:16:59,990
first time they came they came for six

1702
01:17:04,930 --> 01:17:01,100
days

1703
01:17:06,880 --> 01:17:04,940
they stayed in the house 24/7 they

1704
01:17:09,340 --> 01:17:06,890
basically as soon as they got there they

1705
01:17:11,020 --> 01:17:09,350
set up all their equipment and you know

1706
01:17:13,560 --> 01:17:11,030
and every day they had recorders going

1707
01:17:16,920 --> 01:17:13,570
they had everything going all the time

1708
01:17:19,300 --> 01:17:16,930
that if anything happened at any point

1709
01:17:22,080 --> 01:17:19,310
you know they would be able to record it

1710
01:17:26,500 --> 01:17:22,090
and they were also very diligent about

1711
01:17:29,260 --> 01:17:26,510
you know taking samples every day taking

1712
01:17:31,870 --> 01:17:29,270
readings every day of pretty much every

1713
01:17:35,170 --> 01:17:31,880
you know factor that you could think of

1714
01:17:37,510 --> 01:17:35,180
just to rule out any other explanation I

1715
01:17:39,100 --> 01:17:37,520
mean they not only took EMF readings

1716
01:17:41,350 --> 01:17:39,110
like you see on the TV shows but they

1717
01:17:43,450 --> 01:17:41,360
take you know like magnetic fields and

1718
01:17:45,220 --> 01:17:43,460
you know pretty much anything it's you

1719
01:17:47,830 --> 01:17:45,230
temperature readings you know several

1720
01:17:49,660 --> 01:17:47,840
multiple times a day just so they

1721
01:17:52,479 --> 01:17:49,670
know what the baseline was so they could

1722
01:17:55,600 --> 01:17:52,489
know if something you know was anomalous

1723
01:17:59,020 --> 01:17:55,610
and would not be you know could not be

1724
01:18:01,450 --> 01:17:59,030
attributed to readily apparent rational

1725
01:18:03,100 --> 01:18:01,460
causes so I think they were very you

1726
01:18:05,589 --> 01:18:03,110
know stringent and trying to do that

1727
01:18:07,720 --> 01:18:05,599
type of thing it seemed to me and you

1728
01:18:10,149 --> 01:18:07,730
know they kept up with all the equipment

1729
01:18:12,399 --> 01:18:10,159
they had you know six eight big boxes of

1730
01:18:14,290 --> 01:18:12,409
equipment and kept everything running

1731
01:18:15,640 --> 01:18:14,300
all the time and like I said the second

1732
01:18:18,129 --> 01:18:15,650
time when they came back the second time

1733
01:18:20,500 --> 01:18:18,139
they actually stayed for eight days and

1734
01:18:22,839 --> 01:18:20,510
brought in at Kyle along with them you

1735
01:18:24,760 --> 01:18:22,849
know from the Scottish the Paranormal

1736
01:18:27,939 --> 01:18:24,770
Society and so there were three of them

1737
01:18:32,169 --> 01:18:27,949
you know all being in the house pretty

1738
01:18:34,450 --> 01:18:32,179
much all the time so they actually and

1739
01:18:36,250 --> 01:18:34,460
you know and they weren't on camera they

1740
01:18:38,439 --> 01:18:36,260
weren't trying to get anything they were

1741
01:18:40,750 --> 01:18:38,449
just you know I get the impression from

1742
01:18:43,450 --> 01:18:40,760
Steve that he genuinely wants to help

1743
01:18:44,950 --> 01:18:43,460
people out I mean he's not really he's

1744
01:18:48,339 --> 01:18:44,960
worked out a lot of cases that he

1745
01:18:51,040 --> 01:18:48,349
doesn't really talk about and he's he's

1746
01:18:53,620 --> 01:18:51,050
not one to like wanna be in the

1747
01:18:55,810 --> 01:18:53,630
spotlight I guess so he's just basically

1748
01:18:58,629 --> 01:18:55,820
really interested in he's just trying to

1749
01:19:01,810 --> 01:18:58,639
help people to live in their houses

1750
01:19:04,959 --> 01:19:01,820
without this activity going on so it

1751
01:19:06,580 --> 01:19:04,969
seems like that's his main focus whereas

1752
01:19:09,129 --> 01:19:06,590
you know a paranormal TV show their main

1753
01:19:11,470 --> 01:19:09,139
focus would be to entertain so you know

1754
01:19:13,959 --> 01:19:11,480
the sometimes them and the residents are

1755
01:19:16,270 --> 01:19:13,969
at cross-purposes where I feel like

1756
01:19:22,810 --> 01:19:16,280
Steve is kind of trying more to help the

1757
01:19:25,959 --> 01:19:22,820
families that he does yeah well and not

1758
01:19:30,959 --> 01:19:25,969
too long a Keith I guess after Steve and

1759
01:19:33,399 --> 01:19:30,969
dawn showed up I mean the the activity

1760
01:19:35,290 --> 01:19:33,409
started I mean weren't you what you're

1761
01:19:37,810 --> 01:19:35,300
going to prepare a meal or something for

1762
01:19:40,180 --> 01:19:37,820
him and something happened yeah that was

1763
01:19:41,620 --> 01:19:40,190
when they first arrived they update to

1764
01:19:45,760 --> 01:19:41,630
it day three and the guys are working

1765
01:19:47,550 --> 01:19:45,770
hard 18 hours a day non-stop and you

1766
01:19:50,800 --> 01:19:47,560
know you're eating Hamburger Helper

1767
01:19:52,990 --> 01:19:50,810
pizza to jean o's and all that i was

1768
01:19:56,140 --> 01:19:53,000
like you guys came all that way at least

1769
01:19:57,939 --> 01:19:56,150
I can cook for you your last day let me

1770
01:19:59,709 --> 01:19:57,949
just gonna all have a salmon dinner

1771
01:20:00,899 --> 01:19:59,719
Seattle is known for salmon I'm gonna

1772
01:20:03,899 --> 01:20:00,909
buy some King Sam

1773
01:20:06,089 --> 01:20:03,909
and and but I'm vocalizing all this I'm

1774
01:20:09,089 --> 01:20:06,099
talking to them and I'm vocalizing all

1775
01:20:10,319 --> 01:20:09,099
this and I think the last day their

1776
01:20:12,029 --> 01:20:10,329
friend Patti said you know I'm gonna

1777
01:20:14,069 --> 01:20:12,039
take you guys downtown due to spatial

1778
01:20:15,959 --> 01:20:14,079
also you're gonna take some photos yeah

1779
01:20:17,819 --> 01:20:15,969
I haven't seen Seattle so I'm cooking

1780
01:20:20,250 --> 01:20:17,829
and I'm prepping as soon as they peel

1781
01:20:23,370 --> 01:20:20,260
out of the driveway I put the salmon in

1782
01:20:26,009 --> 01:20:23,380
the oven and I close the oven it's one

1783
01:20:28,080 --> 01:20:26,019
of the really cool ones and hit and I

1784
01:20:31,229 --> 01:20:28,090
put all the temperature as soon as I

1785
01:20:34,529 --> 01:20:31,239
turn my back to the oven sparks start

1786
01:20:36,449 --> 01:20:34,539
flying pow pow pow boom ping ping you

1787
01:20:39,600 --> 01:20:36,459
know at the back of the stove in the

1788
01:20:42,779 --> 01:20:39,610
stove everywhere I had to quickly pull

1789
01:20:45,299 --> 01:20:42,789
the stove out and unplug it and it's

1790
01:20:47,489 --> 01:20:45,309
fried now they come in three hours later

1791
01:20:50,279 --> 01:20:47,499
and you can see the outlets kind of

1792
01:20:53,939 --> 01:20:50,289
fused and smoky and I'm like do that

1793
01:20:57,239 --> 01:20:53,949
that's that just yeah others dead and I

1794
01:20:59,879 --> 01:20:57,249
have no salmon to cook for you guys so

1795
01:21:01,439 --> 01:20:59,889
yeah we end up being pizza again that

1796
01:21:03,569 --> 01:21:01,449
night when Stephen them got back to the

1797
01:21:06,000 --> 01:21:03,579
UK by then I had called it once again

1798
01:21:08,939 --> 01:21:06,010
the landlord let him know your oven is

1799
01:21:11,520 --> 01:21:08,949
gone do you and let him know that I had

1800
01:21:13,140 --> 01:21:11,530
nothing to cook with so he called Sears

1801
01:21:14,219 --> 01:21:13,150
and they come and drop another oven off

1802
01:21:15,989 --> 01:21:14,229
and they're like well you're gonna take

1803
01:21:17,580 --> 01:21:15,999
this yeah we're gonna take this one

1804
01:21:19,169 --> 01:21:17,590
the electricity's gotta come check out

1805
01:21:22,040 --> 01:21:19,179
the wiring in the wall make sure this

1806
01:21:25,770 --> 01:21:22,050
won't happen again find nothing wrong

1807
01:21:30,479 --> 01:21:25,780
nothing wrong and in the god pull ovens

1808
01:21:32,790 --> 01:21:30,489
like others don't explode I mean he's

1809
01:21:35,939 --> 01:21:32,800
been doing it once again 30 40 years and

1810
01:21:37,859 --> 01:21:35,949
you know a business don't explode and

1811
01:21:40,859 --> 01:21:37,869
these power outlets they don't shoot

1812
01:21:42,899 --> 01:21:40,869
Sparks and flames out and it was just

1813
01:21:46,859 --> 01:21:42,909
interesting and of course I know I get I

1814
01:21:49,259 --> 01:21:46,869
seen worse happened but yeah it was just

1815
01:21:51,359 --> 01:21:49,269
it was just it was just like I said some

1816
01:21:55,109 --> 01:21:51,369
of these spirits they just they just

1817
01:21:56,640 --> 01:21:55,119
pesky like that they did love to rub

1818
01:21:58,529 --> 01:21:56,650
salt in you want to just lay now you

1819
01:22:00,959 --> 01:21:58,539
guys are like 97 I know we're not not

1820
01:22:03,000 --> 01:22:00,969
there's no salmon tonight guys and and

1821
01:22:06,089 --> 01:22:03,010
and and that's what it was that's all it

1822
01:22:08,790 --> 01:22:06,099
was just just to piss you off

1823
01:22:10,529 --> 01:22:08,800
yeah just to get you angst up and two

1824
01:22:11,850 --> 01:22:10,539
years ago I would have you know two

1825
01:22:13,139 --> 01:22:11,860
years ago I would through the middle

1826
01:22:13,370 --> 01:22:13,149
finger up in the air I would have

1827
01:22:14,840 --> 01:22:13,380
through

1828
01:22:17,090 --> 01:22:14,850
middle finger at the ceiling not know

1829
01:22:19,399 --> 01:22:17,100
what I'm throwing at how to use all kind

1830
01:22:20,570 --> 01:22:19,409
of slurs and epitaphs and then I

1831
01:22:22,970 --> 01:22:20,580
probably would have had a bar stool

1832
01:22:25,399 --> 01:22:22,980
thrown at me yeah well I started say and

1833
01:22:26,870 --> 01:22:25,409
that's you know it seems like that's the

1834
01:22:30,260 --> 01:22:26,880
that's the type of energy that they're

1835
01:22:36,169 --> 01:22:30,270
wanting that you know to vex you so to

1836
01:22:37,790 --> 01:22:36,179
speak and I wanted to ask you this you

1837
01:22:39,770 --> 01:22:37,800
know early in the program I just just

1838
01:22:45,530 --> 01:22:39,780
now remembered it you had an interesting

1839
01:22:48,830 --> 01:22:45,540
story where you had a you were trying

1840
01:22:54,200 --> 01:22:48,840
out you're doing a beta test on a video

1841
01:22:56,570 --> 01:22:54,210
game system yeah oh and Marcos off yeah

1842
01:23:00,979 --> 01:22:56,580
once again I mean I'm a geek I'm a geek

1843
01:23:03,080 --> 01:23:00,989
that way so the new Xbox one one after

1844
01:23:06,560 --> 01:23:03,090
the original Xbox I signed up to be a

1845
01:23:08,360 --> 01:23:06,570
beta tester for the console what that

1846
01:23:09,439 --> 01:23:08,370
Intel's is Microsoft is gonna come in

1847
01:23:11,959 --> 01:23:09,449
your home and drop off one of their

1848
01:23:13,970 --> 01:23:11,969
prototypes for six months you're gonna

1849
01:23:16,100 --> 01:23:13,980
have the original Xbox one before

1850
01:23:17,570 --> 01:23:16,110
anybody else has for six months you're

1851
01:23:19,610 --> 01:23:17,580
gonna play it we're gonna give you games

1852
01:23:22,129 --> 01:23:19,620
to play scenarios and role plays and

1853
01:23:24,080 --> 01:23:22,139
we're gonna absorb you the thing is

1854
01:23:26,390 --> 01:23:24,090
we're gonna reserve observe you from

1855
01:23:29,030 --> 01:23:26,400
afar meaning remotely cuz you're on Xbox

1856
01:23:31,790 --> 01:23:29,040
Live and to a renown that we want to

1857
01:23:35,330 --> 01:23:31,800
come to your house to observe you and

1858
01:23:37,220 --> 01:23:35,340
this is in 2015 so that night in

1859
01:23:40,100 --> 01:23:37,230
particular about five or eight of them

1860
01:23:42,770 --> 01:23:40,110
come to my house all kind of gear

1861
01:23:45,350 --> 01:23:42,780
monitoring gear cameras and all that

1862
01:23:47,180 --> 01:23:45,360
stuff and set up got me hooked up to

1863
01:23:50,000 --> 01:23:47,190
wires but they just want to watch me

1864
01:23:51,500 --> 01:23:50,010
play and halfway through the night I'm

1865
01:23:54,560 --> 01:23:51,510
playing games I've blown what they tell

1866
01:23:57,680 --> 01:23:54,570
me to do the project manager who's got a

1867
01:23:59,120 --> 01:23:57,690
clipboard in her hand or his hand gets

1868
01:24:01,760 --> 01:23:59,130
he's got a earpiece in his earrings the

1869
01:24:04,760 --> 01:24:01,770
hood up stop stop the guys at

1870
01:24:07,100 --> 01:24:04,770
headquarters which is Redman found

1871
01:24:11,060 --> 01:24:07,110
something they got an anomaly on the

1872
01:24:14,660 --> 01:24:11,070
screen they see you Keith but they're

1873
01:24:16,640 --> 01:24:14,670
picking up shadows around the room that

1874
01:24:19,070 --> 01:24:16,650
they can't account for so we need to

1875
01:24:21,379 --> 01:24:19,080
pause and let them figure this out and

1876
01:24:24,939 --> 01:24:21,389
then one of the other engineers took the

1877
01:24:26,720 --> 01:24:24,949
game console and put it on I forgot what

1878
01:24:29,510 --> 01:24:26,730
input

1879
01:24:33,080 --> 01:24:29,520
we all got great screens and you see

1880
01:24:36,410 --> 01:24:33,090
these shadows these orbs just floating

1881
01:24:39,680 --> 01:24:36,420
in the air back toward the kitchen I

1882
01:24:41,450 --> 01:24:39,690
mean they're just floating and all that

1883
01:24:42,950 --> 01:24:41,460
and these are smart guy these are

1884
01:24:45,260 --> 01:24:42,960
developed these are coders these are

1885
01:24:47,690 --> 01:24:45,270
analyst technicians and engineers and

1886
01:24:50,090 --> 01:24:47,700
the guys who create this stuff and

1887
01:24:52,040 --> 01:24:50,100
they've never seen that before and it

1888
01:24:53,990 --> 01:24:52,050
stops them dead in their tracks and I'm

1889
01:24:56,300 --> 01:24:54,000
at that time we're about there about a

1890
01:24:57,560 --> 01:24:56,310
month away from launching the Xbox and

1891
01:24:59,780 --> 01:24:57,570
they're trying to get it out the door

1892
01:25:02,720 --> 01:24:59,790
before the Christmas holidays to beat

1893
01:25:04,370 --> 01:25:02,730
Sony's PlayStation 4 and they see these

1894
01:25:06,800 --> 01:25:04,380
things and they could not account for

1895
01:25:11,710 --> 01:25:06,810
them I think I said it in the book I

1896
01:25:14,900 --> 01:25:11,720
wish I was able to get a copy of that

1897
01:25:16,130 --> 01:25:14,910
video because they save everything but

1898
01:25:18,740 --> 01:25:16,140
my day I didn't know what I was looking

1899
01:25:19,550 --> 01:25:18,750
at one of they would've gave it to me I

1900
01:25:21,920 --> 01:25:19,560
know because I signed a nondisclosure

1901
01:25:25,550 --> 01:25:21,930
agreement but it was just interesting to

1902
01:25:27,110 --> 01:25:25,560
see these guys is reaction and it almost

1903
01:25:29,180 --> 01:25:27,120
derailed the project because they were

1904
01:25:31,220 --> 01:25:29,190
like you know if we can't ascertain

1905
01:25:32,540 --> 01:25:31,230
where these things are coming from we

1906
01:25:34,100 --> 01:25:32,550
don't want some little Johnny open up

1907
01:25:35,840 --> 01:25:34,110
his Christmas present on Christmas Day

1908
01:25:37,729 --> 01:25:35,850
and he's got shadows everywhere because

1909
01:25:41,030 --> 01:25:37,739
they think it it's a bug anything is

1910
01:25:43,150 --> 01:25:41,040
something wrong with the code but yeah

1911
01:25:47,900 --> 01:25:43,160
it perplexed they were very perplexed

1912
01:25:49,070 --> 01:25:47,910
well you know and and and not being a

1913
01:25:52,960 --> 01:25:49,080
gamer I can't remember now what the

1914
01:25:55,220 --> 01:25:52,970
system is what is that the Kinect

1915
01:25:57,979 --> 01:25:55,230
yeah the Kinect okay well you know that

1916
01:26:01,790 --> 01:25:57,989
there are a lot of ghost hunters now

1917
01:26:05,540 --> 01:26:01,800
that are using that they'll take it with

1918
01:26:08,660 --> 01:26:05,550
them on investigations in haunted areas

1919
01:26:10,870 --> 01:26:08,670
and there's there's some successes you

1920
01:26:14,479 --> 01:26:10,880
know you get these like stick figures

1921
01:26:16,160 --> 01:26:14,489
that you know aren't there yeah yeah I

1922
01:26:18,590 --> 01:26:16,170
mean I just I thought that section in

1923
01:26:20,360 --> 01:26:18,600
your book does really interesting I you

1924
01:26:25,630 --> 01:26:20,370
know you may have been one of the first

1925
01:26:29,420 --> 01:26:25,640
ones to I think it was first generation

1926
01:26:32,210 --> 01:26:29,430
and brought the connecting said it on my

1927
01:26:35,270 --> 01:26:32,220
entertainment center and these movements

1928
01:26:36,890 --> 01:26:35,280
the Kinect was picking up movements in

1929
01:26:38,330 --> 01:26:36,900
and around the house that wasn't me I

1930
01:26:40,190 --> 01:26:38,340
mean you could see me could see the guys

1931
01:26:43,070 --> 01:26:40,200
and it blocks everybody else

1932
01:26:45,770 --> 01:26:43,080
the setup process to where it removes

1933
01:26:48,110 --> 01:26:45,780
false positives it cannot explain

1934
01:26:50,090 --> 01:26:48,120
connect cannot explain those images and

1935
01:26:51,560 --> 01:26:50,100
that's what stopped the Microsoft guys

1936
01:26:57,260 --> 01:26:51,570
dead in their tracks as they couldn't

1937
01:27:00,110 --> 01:26:57,270
they couldn't explain it okay

1938
01:27:03,320 --> 01:27:00,120
Jenny I want to I want to go back real

1939
01:27:05,480 --> 01:27:03,330
quick back to Steve's you know

1940
01:27:07,340 --> 01:27:05,490
investigation of the house now I know

1941
01:27:10,190 --> 01:27:07,350
that in order for you to write the book

1942
01:27:13,760 --> 01:27:10,200
that you had to go through a lot

1943
01:27:16,840 --> 01:27:13,770
everything that that Steve connected out

1944
01:27:20,900 --> 01:27:16,850
of all the stuff that you went through

1945
01:27:22,730 --> 01:27:20,910
what do you think you know what

1946
01:27:25,180 --> 01:27:22,740
fascinated you the most what surprised

1947
01:27:27,860 --> 01:27:25,190
you the most with the all the

1948
01:27:30,710 --> 01:27:27,870
information that Steve and Don were able

1949
01:27:34,370 --> 01:27:30,720
to gather one of the most interesting

1950
01:27:37,040 --> 01:27:34,380
things to me I think a lot of the stuff

1951
01:27:41,240 --> 01:27:37,050
that they got that actually creeped me

1952
01:27:43,670 --> 01:27:41,250
out the most was things like you know

1953
01:27:46,220 --> 01:27:43,680
Keith had cameras all over the house as

1954
01:27:48,020 --> 01:27:46,230
he said and a lot of times they would go

1955
01:27:50,330 --> 01:27:48,030
missing or they would break or they

1956
01:27:52,040 --> 01:27:50,340
would be turned around or whatever and

1957
01:27:55,640 --> 01:27:52,050
at one point when Steve and Don were

1958
01:27:57,560 --> 01:27:55,650
there you know I Keith got a ping on his

1959
01:27:58,910 --> 01:27:57,570
email that one of the cameras had been

1960
01:28:00,350 --> 01:27:58,920
triggered and it was the camera I

1961
01:28:04,790 --> 01:28:00,360
believed it was facing the front door

1962
01:28:07,100 --> 01:28:04,800
and when he opened the photograph of you

1963
01:28:09,560 --> 01:28:07,110
know what the what the motion sensor had

1964
01:28:12,110 --> 01:28:09,570
picked up it just showed a blank wall

1965
01:28:14,120 --> 01:28:12,120
and so when they went in the living room

1966
01:28:15,620 --> 01:28:14,130
to see you know what was going on with

1967
01:28:19,850 --> 01:28:15,630
the camera it had turned itself around

1968
01:28:21,290 --> 01:28:19,860
like 360 degrees and there was no really

1969
01:28:23,060 --> 01:28:21,300
no way that it could have done that and

1970
01:28:24,980 --> 01:28:23,070
and the fact that it took a picture of

1971
01:28:28,460 --> 01:28:24,990
the wall and the picture wasn't blurry

1972
01:28:30,530 --> 01:28:28,470
as though it had not nothing to it it

1973
01:28:34,370 --> 01:28:30,540
turned around but it is as though it

1974
01:28:36,230 --> 01:28:34,380
kind of like you know just instantly

1975
01:28:37,880 --> 01:28:36,240
turned itself around and then took the

1976
01:28:40,370 --> 01:28:37,890
picture because you know it takes a

1977
01:28:42,500 --> 01:28:40,380
picture like in less than a second so

1978
01:28:45,380 --> 01:28:42,510
the fact that that had happened just

1979
01:28:47,690 --> 01:28:45,390
like behind their backs really kind of

1980
01:28:50,780 --> 01:28:47,700
creeped me out a lot of the EVPs that

1981
01:28:52,340 --> 01:28:50,790
they got creeped me out particularly one

1982
01:28:53,629 --> 01:28:52,350
of the ones I believe Don had bought

1983
01:28:57,169 --> 01:28:53,639
some flowers and put

1984
01:28:59,510 --> 01:28:57,179
in the upper hallway and later on they

1985
01:29:01,820 --> 01:28:59,520
had some EVPs it was two women's voices

1986
01:29:03,800 --> 01:29:01,830
and one of them said whose are the

1987
01:29:06,290 --> 01:29:03,810
flowers and then the other one is so

1988
01:29:09,560 --> 01:29:06,300
answering said that man bought them and

1989
01:29:11,060 --> 01:29:09,570
that really creeped me because I mean

1990
01:29:12,950 --> 01:29:11,070
the fact that these were just like

1991
01:29:15,050 --> 01:29:12,960
commenting on things they were doing and

1992
01:29:17,390 --> 01:29:15,060
also another thing too is one of the

1993
01:29:18,620 --> 01:29:17,400
like a light fixture that had fallen

1994
01:29:21,500 --> 01:29:18,630
down in the hallway

1995
01:29:23,689 --> 01:29:21,510
that made a really really loud banging

1996
01:29:25,040 --> 01:29:23,699
sound they all heard it and they all

1997
01:29:26,780 --> 01:29:25,050
rushed up there to see but the banging

1998
01:29:28,580 --> 01:29:26,790
sound was and saw that this light had

1999
01:29:29,840 --> 01:29:28,590
come off the wall and it wasn't a heavy

2000
01:29:32,180 --> 01:29:29,850
light I think it was just made of

2001
01:29:34,580 --> 01:29:32,190
plastic or something like that and they

2002
01:29:37,459 --> 01:29:34,590
tried to when they tried to replicate

2003
01:29:38,899 --> 01:29:37,469
the sound by you know like throwing it

2004
01:29:41,540 --> 01:29:38,909
at the ground or whatever they couldn't

2005
01:29:44,030 --> 01:29:41,550
really get the same you know audiogram

2006
01:29:45,649 --> 01:29:44,040
like in their audio program but they

2007
01:29:48,680 --> 01:29:45,659
said the interesting thing was that when

2008
01:29:51,410 --> 01:29:48,690
they just dropped it it looked the same

2009
01:29:53,600 --> 01:29:51,420
but it was much quieter you know what I

2010
01:29:56,540 --> 01:29:53,610
mean almost as though whatever had

2011
01:29:57,859 --> 01:29:56,550
thrown it made it louder than it would

2012
01:30:00,530 --> 01:29:57,869
have been if it had moved through

2013
01:30:02,689 --> 01:30:00,540
regular physics you know what I mean so

2014
01:30:04,370 --> 01:30:02,699
it's almost like it wanted it like it

2015
01:30:06,979 --> 01:30:04,380
wanted them to hear it and come up and

2016
01:30:08,540 --> 01:30:06,989
see what it had done kind of thing there

2017
01:30:10,970 --> 01:30:08,550
was a lot of things like that or you

2018
01:30:12,590 --> 01:30:10,980
know where they'd hear you know running

2019
01:30:13,939 --> 01:30:12,600
footsteps as though someone was running

2020
01:30:16,970 --> 01:30:13,949
through the upper hall like through

2021
01:30:18,590 --> 01:30:16,980
their little optical you know trip wires

2022
01:30:21,050 --> 01:30:18,600
and stuff like that like it was trying

2023
01:30:22,220 --> 01:30:21,060
to avoid them and it was just little

2024
01:30:24,530 --> 01:30:22,230
things like that and like I said that

2025
01:30:27,379 --> 01:30:24,540
seems a lot more like intelligent

2026
01:30:29,359 --> 01:30:27,389
haunting than poltergeists I mean a lot

2027
01:30:32,000 --> 01:30:29,369
more like intelligent haunting but how

2028
01:30:33,590 --> 01:30:32,010
many if they if indeed they were spirits

2029
01:30:37,189 --> 01:30:33,600
how many were in there there's no

2030
01:30:40,030 --> 01:30:37,199
telling it was probably quite a lot well

2031
01:30:42,740 --> 01:30:40,040
I'm talking about the the EVPs now

2032
01:30:44,750 --> 01:30:42,750
people who you know they're all they

2033
01:30:46,580 --> 01:30:44,760
experienced we're hearing EVPs again as

2034
01:30:49,070 --> 01:30:46,590
on these reality shows you know where

2035
01:30:51,229 --> 01:30:49,080
people take a have a recording and they

2036
01:30:53,560 --> 01:30:51,239
have to amplify it and like trying to

2037
01:30:56,210 --> 01:30:53,570
guess you know what the voice is saying

2038
01:30:59,510 --> 01:30:56,220
these recordings there

2039
01:31:01,850 --> 01:30:59,520
like that they're really not these most

2040
01:31:03,470 --> 01:31:01,860
of the ones because he let me listen to

2041
01:31:05,510 --> 01:31:03,480
a lot of the ones a lot of the ones that

2042
01:31:08,060 --> 01:31:05,520
they got were you know what they call

2043
01:31:09,950 --> 01:31:08,070
Class A EVPs where it's obviously a

2044
01:31:11,630 --> 01:31:09,960
voice you can tell what gender the voice

2045
01:31:14,180 --> 01:31:11,640
is you can tell exactly what it's saying

2046
01:31:15,410 --> 01:31:14,190
you know everyone agrees on what it's

2047
01:31:17,780 --> 01:31:15,420
saying they don't have to tell you oh

2048
01:31:19,700 --> 01:31:17,790
listen it says you know blah blah blah

2049
01:31:21,440 --> 01:31:19,710
and then you hear to go yeah it does

2050
01:31:24,560 --> 01:31:21,450
kind of sound like that because you know

2051
01:31:25,670 --> 01:31:24,570
but these ones actually did sound like I

2052
01:31:28,220 --> 01:31:25,680
mean the one that Keith mentioned

2053
01:31:30,920 --> 01:31:28,230
earlier with the voice saying you know

2054
01:31:33,470 --> 01:31:30,930
it's a camera if you listen to it it

2055
01:31:35,360 --> 01:31:33,480
sounds exactly like a person saying it's

2056
01:31:37,010 --> 01:31:35,370
a camera I think it's a camera it just

2057
01:31:38,870 --> 01:31:37,020
sounds like a person was in the room but

2058
01:31:41,030 --> 01:31:38,880
obviously there was no person there and

2059
01:31:42,290 --> 01:31:41,040
I think a lot of the ones I mean a lot

2060
01:31:44,510 --> 01:31:42,300
of the ones that they let me listen to

2061
01:31:47,270 --> 01:31:44,520
that were like that were just they were

2062
01:31:49,460 --> 01:31:47,280
as clear as a bell and you know they had

2063
01:31:50,870 --> 01:31:49,470
other people in the house that they just

2064
01:31:53,600 --> 01:31:50,880
say okay I'm gonna play you something

2065
01:31:55,550 --> 01:31:53,610
now what is this voice saying and you

2066
01:31:57,470 --> 01:31:55,560
know the other person would say oh it

2067
01:31:59,240 --> 01:31:57,480
said that's where the demons hang out

2068
01:32:01,310 --> 01:31:59,250
and that's exactly what it sounded like

2069
01:32:04,010 --> 01:32:01,320
so most of the ones they got I mean they

2070
01:32:07,430 --> 01:32:04,020
got a lot of you know Class B and Class

2071
01:32:09,740 --> 01:32:07,440
C ones too but they got an alarming

2072
01:32:12,380 --> 01:32:09,750
amount of Class A ones that just sounded

2073
01:32:14,060 --> 01:32:12,390
like people talking and I and you know

2074
01:32:17,090 --> 01:32:14,070
he told me he's like I've never seen

2075
01:32:18,740 --> 01:32:17,100
anything remotely like that and I've

2076
01:32:20,080 --> 01:32:18,750
never heard of another case remotely

2077
01:32:22,940 --> 01:32:20,090
like that either

2078
01:32:25,790 --> 01:32:22,950
alright well unfortunately we are coming

2079
01:32:27,320 --> 01:32:25,800
up to the end of our program so I want

2080
01:32:30,020 --> 01:32:27,330
to give you both a chance to let our

2081
01:32:32,270 --> 01:32:30,030
audience know where they can find out

2082
01:32:35,120 --> 01:32:32,280
more about you Jenny let's start with

2083
01:32:39,080 --> 01:32:35,130
you okay easiest place to find me is

2084
01:32:41,990 --> 01:32:39,090
just my website WWE and that's got links

2085
01:32:44,120 --> 01:32:42,000
to all my books and my podcast and

2086
01:32:46,730 --> 01:32:44,130
everything else if you want to check out

2087
01:32:48,260 --> 01:32:46,740
my podcast it's 13 o'clock podcast you

2088
01:32:50,090 --> 01:32:48,270
can find it on YouTube or it's on iTunes

2089
01:32:51,620 --> 01:32:50,100
and a bunch of other places too so

2090
01:32:54,590 --> 01:32:51,630
that's the easiest thing just go right

2091
01:32:57,020 --> 01:32:54,600
to my website alright and I I highly

2092
01:32:58,850 --> 01:32:57,030
recommend everyone to to read your books

2093
01:33:01,940 --> 01:32:58,860
because they're all just absolutely

2094
01:33:04,520 --> 01:33:01,950
fantastic okay Keith what about you

2095
01:33:06,250 --> 01:33:04,530
where can people find your YouTube

2096
01:33:08,750 --> 01:33:06,260
channel your book that sort of thing

2097
01:33:10,010 --> 01:33:08,760
yeah so a lot of what we talked about

2098
01:33:12,010 --> 01:33:10,020
tonight for his video

2099
01:33:15,200 --> 01:33:12,020
and evidence is on my youtube-channel

2100
01:33:17,090 --> 01:33:15,210
this typing Keith L or Keith lender

2101
01:33:19,610 --> 01:33:17,100
that's the easiest way to find it on

2102
01:33:21,890 --> 01:33:19,620
YouTube I made it easy that way of

2103
01:33:24,770 --> 01:33:21,900
course the book is on Amazon and Kindle

2104
01:33:27,770 --> 01:33:24,780
and paperback version the Bothell Hale

2105
01:33:31,220 --> 01:33:27,780
house if you want more information go to

2106
01:33:34,270 --> 01:33:31,230
demons in Seattle one word.com there are

2107
01:33:37,030 --> 01:33:34,280
hyperlinks to both books in both formats

2108
01:33:39,440 --> 01:33:37,040
but also go to American supernatural

2109
01:33:42,250 --> 01:33:39,450
calm because that's where the

2110
01:33:45,410 --> 01:33:42,260
documentary of Steve and Dawn's

2111
01:33:47,570 --> 01:33:45,420
two-and-a-half week investigation that's

2112
01:33:49,970 --> 01:33:47,580
on Don's website but you'll see what we

2113
01:33:53,000 --> 01:33:49,980
talked about tonight the methodology

2114
01:33:55,730 --> 01:33:53,010
that Steve incorporates in the two and a

2115
01:33:58,550 --> 01:33:55,740
half week investigation and like I say

2116
01:34:02,120 --> 01:33:58,560
it begun the show like you said don't

2117
01:34:04,160 --> 01:34:02,130
judge now just after you watch the

2118
01:34:07,100 --> 01:34:04,170
documentary or after you read the book

2119
01:34:11,660 --> 01:34:07,110
and I guarantee you you have a new

2120
01:34:15,710 --> 01:34:11,670
mindset well and and and I do recommend

2121
01:34:19,730 --> 01:34:15,720
that everybody go out and and get your

2122
01:34:22,700 --> 01:34:19,740
book the the Bothell house version 2.0

2123
01:34:28,910 --> 01:34:22,710
was there a first version and then you

2124
01:34:31,370 --> 01:34:28,920
did an update even dawn was still you

2125
01:34:34,520 --> 01:34:31,380
know new and coming so there was new

2126
01:34:36,650 --> 01:34:34,530
video put into the book new pictures and

2127
01:34:41,120 --> 01:34:36,660
photographs I mean it's over eight hours

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of audio over forty hours of video in

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the book if you watch it back to back of

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the audio in the video but yeah that's

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why I was called to data okay well and

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yeah I I highly highly recommend that if

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Keith's book get a Jenny's book and be

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